Thread: The eleventh hour?

Guys. Stop it!

It was a curious question of mine and if we are really going down this road it was with the full cooperation of our Government over a period that spans both Democrat and Republican administrations. You can't just outright trash our Constitution or style of government. It has to happen incrementally with the full on agreement and actions ( and inactions which is likely worse ) of both parties and the general public.

So the question remains: is this really happening? Forget the youtube link for a second and ask yourself: Are we heading down this slope? And what can we do as citizens to prevent such a move.
We are all in it together guys.

Originally Posted by joscobo

Edit: I was trying to use sarcasm to make a point. It also might read like I'm attacking gssixgun personally, which wasn't my goal. So I want to make it clear I don't agree with that thinking, but I also don't know everything either.

Sarcasm is a nasty way of making you look good while making someone else look like an ass.
Don't do it. Instead use reasoned arguments. Whether I will agree with your arguments or not it is something that I can at least respect.

Now back on topic.

TO THE GULAG WITH YOU JMS !!

I was just kidding. Sadly the greatest country in history has been taken control of by radical leftist Marxist, and when 5 days before the election he said that "we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America", none of us had a clue what he was really talking about, but as with all socialist and Marxist setups the poverty and misery will be spread to all.

Originally Posted by JMS

So the question remains: is this really happening?

'This' not really, something resembling it, yes but it's been happening for a long time.

The world is changing and with increased connectivity and dependence on each other nations have much less meaning than they used to hundreds of years ago.

Being a roman citizen 2000 years ago was much bigger of a deal than whether you're american, or german, or french or swedish citizen nowadays.

And I expect that that's how things will continue to develop. How you live will be more and more determined by what your own skills are and less by where you happened to be born.

I don't think it's a bad thing.

Originally Posted by sarend

Remembert a few things and look back on one brilliant man.

#1. The Constitution says that Congress shall not delegat any of its powers

#2. The Federal Reserve Bank is not part of the governement. (look at point number one)

#3. Berneke stated in a public speech in the early 2000's (before his ascendancy to Chairman) that the Fed was the reason for all the financial troubles in the US to include the Great Depression.

#4. Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive
the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.'

They can do whatever they want. The majority of Americans polled do not want the Obamacare, but they are going to do it anyway. They [polititions] are elists--on both sides--and they will do whatever they want.

On that subject

On March 11 2008, the Fed had an unannounced meeting with the Big 5 minus Bear Stearns. That meeting was discovered after the fact through an unrelated FOIA request. The topic of that meeting is undisclosed.

On the same day, after the meeting, somebody did a "naked short sell" on Bear Stearns... betting $1.7M that the stock would be worth half its then-current price within 9 days. The next morning, there was a bank run on Bear Stearns and the stock plummeted. On March 17 2008, the person doing the bet cashed out $270M on the operation. Bear Stearns was forced to sell itself to JPMorgan Chase, who had received $29bn from the Fed specifically to buy the investment bank.

6 months later, virtually the same scenario happened with Lehman Brothers. This is considered the start of the subprime/finance meltdown.

To date, the SEC hasn't been able to identify the man even after several requests from the Senate Banking Committee. The same SEC that has been known to send auditors abroad for a $2000 irregularity.

Originally Posted by JMS

Guys. Stop it!

It was a curious question of mine and if we are really going down this road it was with the full cooperation of our Government over a period that spans both Democrat and Republican administrations. You can't just outright trash our Constitution or style of government. It has to happen incrementally with the full on agreement and actions ( and inactions which is likely worse ) of both parties and the general public.

So the question remains: is this really happening? Forget the youtube link for a second and ask yourself: Are we heading down this slope? And what can we do as citizens to prevent such a move.
We are all in it together guys.

I understand that you'd like to keep these on-topic, but what do you honestly expect to happen when you start these political threads? We're going to talk about politics.

My opinion is that to think that Obama is going to sign away our sovereignty is tin-foil hattish. Even if we did live in a bizarro world where this happened, there would be a revolution of epic proportions.

If Obama signs anything, it will probably just be an agreement to meet again. The "treaty" is still a messy draft right now at best. Signing a treaty does not make it binding (see the Kyoto Protocol) until it's approved by a supermajority. Obama's administration has publicly said that it won't sign an agreement unacceptable to Congress.

Oh yeah, and no treaty can override the provisions of the U.S. Constitution.

Absolute garbage. I'll make a deal with you guys: if we lose sovereignty under the Obama administration, I will give you all of my razors and peripherals. If we're still a sovereign nation at the end of his presidency, then you give me all of your razors and peripherals.

I haven't read over most of the thread, so someone may have already pointed out the illogic of these ideas in light of things like the fact that there haven't even been measures instituted to keep the financial crisis that we're in now from happening again. Or I should say measures reinstated, it was a removal of financial regulations that caused the crisis in the first place, so I'm not too concerned about some radical redistribution of wealth in this country. I think its pretty likely that its going to be the same old thing, the rich getting richer. If you want evidence of this, look at the bailout, that's one of the most radical monetary actions I've seen, and what did it do? It made wealthy corporations wealthier.

Originally Posted by MichaelP

On that subject

On March 11 2008, the Fed had an unannounced meeting with the Big 5 minus Bear Stearns. That meeting was discovered after the fact through an unrelated FOIA request. The topic of that meeting is undisclosed.

On the same day, after the meeting, somebody did a "naked short sell" on Bear Stearns... betting $1.7M that the stock would be worth half its then-current price within 9 days. The next morning, there was a bank run on Bear Stearns and the stock plummeted. On March 17 2008, the person doing the bet cashed out $270M on the operation. Bear Stearns was forced to sell itself to JPMorgan Chase, who had received $29bn from the Fed specifically to buy the investment bank.

6 months later, virtually the same scenario happened with Lehman Brothers. This is considered the start of the subprime/finance meltdown.

To date, the SEC hasn't been able to identify the man even after several requests from the Senate Banking Committee. The same SEC that has been known to send auditors abroad for a $2000 irregularity.

Thats some interesting information. I'm gonna have to look up more about it.

I think the real point being glossed over here is Global Warming to begin with...