Thread: The eleventh hour?

You been hiding out denmason?

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

--Dr. Adrian Rogers

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

--Dr. Adrian Rogers

"He swings...He hits...The ball is out of the park ladies and gentlemen!!

Great quote.

Philosophy, and economics and math, don't get any truer or better or simpler than that.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

--Dr. Adrian Rogers

So basically you advocate the split of the union?

I agree that California, for example, would do far better if it could keep its federal tax dollars to spend as its citizens want instead of seeing them wasted in another part of the union. The other 14 positive contributor states would also probably fare better without the welfare states.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

--Dr. Adrian Rogers

Well actually it sounds like he's describing communism rather than anything we have in America. I also found this gem attributed to Adrian Rogers:

"I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess."

He definitely did make the original quote, but not that one. And we're not communists, just being 'nudged' that direction, and there are many and current examples of where that road leads.

Anybody want to move to one of those places ? Go ahead, enjoy. You know, where everyone is 'equal' and gets an 'equal' share (not). Uuuu, just never noticed the big wigs in the fields or coal mines or sloshing through the rice patties, they probly just don't 'show off' those pics fearing that it would just be seen as a photo op.

And equally, at the other side of the spectrum, you have the Randian paradises such as Somalia and many poor African countries... anybody wants to move to those lovely places without pesky governments or without taxation?

There is a middle ground in there, you know. Some countries are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, Luxembourg has no public debt to speak with while having a very nice safety net and holding $92B of your public debt.

You posit that America is moving towards Communism, I posit that America has been under a twisted variation of Communism for decades already.

Instead of communism for the people, you have communism for corporations. America has been privatizing the profit and socializing the losses for a long time. Laissez-faire economics has a certain tendency to end with monopolies or duopolies, which is the worse situation for consumers and the market.

Ya, that's bull crap. Bail outs are bull crap and subsidizing is bull crap. You would think that anyone with a thimble full of sense knows that if it doesn't succeed on it's own merits then it needs to go away or be redesigned. If you or I tried to run our personal finances like the gov or these bailed out operations for crying out loud they'd probly throw us in jail.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Ya, that's bull crap. Bail outs are bull crap and subsidizing is bull crap. You would think that anyone with a thimble full of sense knows that if it doesn't succeed on it's own merits then it needs to go away or be redesigned. If you or I tried to run our personal finances like the gov or these bailed out operations for crying out loud they'd probly throw us in jail.

Very true. IMHO, all this climate change rhetorics and the Copenhagen treaty are very handy for the government, they need it for keeping their "green technologies will transform america" boat afloat. Get ready for far worse sinking of taxpayers money into non-sense projects soon (in one way or another - bailouts, taxation, etc.). The next bubble will be green.