Thread: On Climate Change and Evolution

Originally Posted by Pete_S

This is incorrect. Mutation is a mechanism of evolution, but not necessarily a primary force. Genetic pressure is a much more common mechanism. Take the giraffe. It was originally a horse like creature, which is found and clearly traced to the modern giraffe in the fossil record. The horse like giraffes with the longer necks had an advantage over the shorter necked ones, they were able to get more food. More food, the giraffe lives longer, is healthier, and has more offspring with the genetic trait for a longer neck. The cycle continues over million of years until you have the modern day giraffe. This happened without mutation or the introduction of foreign genetic materiel, but with the genetic diversity caused by sexual reproduction and pressure by the environment.

Really? You are saying that the statement about natural selection is not correct. The fabled giraffe 'evolution' is a joke. They haven't done any such thing except in their minds and writings and drawings. How did they survive those 'millions' of years if they needed the food so much? Why didn't other animals 'evolve' long necks? Come on man.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Really? You are saying that the statement about natural selection is not correct. The fabled giraffe 'evolution' is a joke. They haven't done any such thing except in their minds and writings and drawings. How did they survive those 'millions' of years if they needed the food so much? Why didn't other animals 'evolve' long necks? Come on man.

Now THAT is an interesting question! I'm curious: do you understand enough about evolution (whether you agree or not) to offer any possible explanations? That is, to play devil's advocate? (heh)

I ask because I think understanding your stance is much less challenging (i.e. "God made them that way"), which is, in my humble opinion, part of the attraction for many people.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Typical cult mentality just repeat your beliefs over and over, called a mantra. No real example of where it is observed directly. No example of it being 'repeated' in the lab. Why aren't these repeatable test done in science class? Straw grasping on the fossils and genetics. Just the mantra claim that it is true it does happen it is happening somewhere it has happened somewhere. And the old Alinsky tactic of attacking those that don't agree with you and saying - they just don't understand because they are too stupid and they don't know anything about real science. Ya, we can't even read man, and we didn't even go to school, much less accel in anything academically, because we're so stupid. Whatever.

Oh ya that clip sure does prove evolution (not).

So I guess that "Think about it" line at the end got dismissed out of hand by you. So, don't listen to me then. Really. Go find out the details of evolution for yourself.

But you wont. Your willful ignorance on the subject just made me throw up a little in my mouth there.

My work is done here. I can only keep dragging you out of the burning building of foolishness so many times. When you keep running back inside to burn in the rapture of your misconceptions I can only shrug and move on to someone who matters. Happy roasting.

X

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Typical cult mentality just repeat your beliefs over and over, called a mantra. No real example of where it is observed directly. No example of it being 'repeated' in the lab. Why aren't these repeatable test done in science class? Straw grasping on the fossils and genetics. Just the mantra claim that it is true it does happen it is happening somewhere it has happened somewhere. And the old Alinsky tactic of attacking those that don't agree with you and saying - they just don't understand because they are too stupid and they don't know anything about real science. Ya, we can't even read man, and we didn't even go to school, much less accel in anything academically, because we're so stupid. Whatever.

Oh ya that clip sure does prove evolution (not).

If you want to directly witness a horse-like animal evolve into a different species like a giraffe, you'd have to live an awfully long time, as these things take many, many, many generations. However, as has been said before, we've directly witnessed genetic changes due to selection taking place "in the lab", though it's on a much smaller scale, like fruit flies or bacteria.

For any interested in a modern, full-blown case of speciation in action (that's macroevolution for those of you who draw that distinction), check out the hawthorne fly/apple maggot, whose two varieties are showing difficulties in interbreeding and are likely well on their way towards evolving into two distinct species.

Originally Posted by janivar123

Lets say we found a hypothetical creature that specialized in eating a man made object, for example DE razor blades. It can only eat DE razor blades. To you this is evidence that God created man and watched as man invented razor blades. He then decided to create a creature capable of eating said razor blades, and insert His new creation into the world.


actually my position is another place out there
what i was thinking of is manmade design

hmm is rust a lifeform?

what im finding here is that its no real evidence of any of these theses that can actually can form a conclution (can you prove your religion?)
dont answer the() im just saying

ok guess that was a lo blow

Well I'm having trouble spotting any kind of blow, never mind a lo one....but OK!

Originally Posted by JMS

I have a pet rat that will eat almost anything. It eats plastic, greens, meat, grain products, you name it. Are you suggesting that this bacteria could not have sustained itself on other material?

If this bacteria existed, and could only eat nylon and nothing else, that is exactly what I'm suggesting.

If you are actually interested in organisms acquiring "new information" you could google "Richard Lenski E Coli".

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab - life - 09 June 2008 - New Scientist

Originally Posted by xman

Hey JCD. Why propose something as ridiculous as bacteria eating nylon anyway. We all know they could never do that, right. Why not show us a real example, huh? Or are you chicken?

Hey look it was just a hypothetical. OK, I went too far, I don't know what I was thinking. But cut me some slack; it was a late night.

Oh, and be nice to CF1, he's my brothah.

I find it pretty hilarious that the members who require the most proof to support the opponent's cause, who do the most talking about propaganda and cults, and who refuse proof of possibility (even if it's not proof of actuality) of what is accepted based on the most logical and reasonable means by which people can support theory...

...are the same ones who...

unquestionably believe without proof what clerics told them to, are members of the largest cult in human history, and provide absolutely nothing even remotely close to proof to support their own cause.

So, until you guys buck up and make your arguments worth while, and realize that refuting one person's understanding of how things work does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support your own, as a reasonable human being I will continue to read your posts with great anticipation until you do.

By the way, I've already watched the youtubes about creationism. My favorite is the one where the "great flood" caused the Grand Canyon.

As you were, gentlemen.

Ogie

P.S. X, jcd, sorry I'm late.

P.P.S. Sorry, I voted for option "A", though I would've rather it said "contributed to" than "caused". Cheers!