Thread: Islam: The religion of peace????

Originally Posted by treydampier

...the people receiving it are barbarians, and capitol punishment is their just sentence.

The same could just as easily be said by someone advocating cutting off the hand of a thief, or the stoning of an adulterous woman. Justice is completely in the eye of the beholder.

Originally Posted by treydampier

We learned capitol punishment from the British and the other "Barbaric" European methods. Besides, capitol punishment is not "medieval", it is simply a pure form of justice. Torture is medieval, and prisoners are not tortured here like our jolly old European and UK ancestors set the examples for.

Guantanamo bay.
Abu ghraib.

And for the really dirty work, the US ships terrorist suspects to syria or egypt, where anything goes.

You were saying?

Good thing mistakes never happen, both in capital punishment or torture. That would be a shame.

just woke up.....first thing i did was to catch up with this thread. seriously you guys lets just end this and go back to our straights. after reading some posts i checked the url to see if i was on liveleak or not. i wasnt offended by any posts here yesterday or today..but some people may be offended easily.
i am muslim, you are chritian and he is a jew...so what... big deal,,the only thing where i can be judged better then you or worse than you is by my actions..........my actions only and not my background. do i say that all
americans killed the indians...no
do i say that all the french people sold the jews in ww2..no
do i judge the germans for hitler and 2 world wars..no (fine straights by the way)
do all the chinese hate the dalai lama...no
do i say all the brits invaded almost half of the planet ...no (fine straights by the way)
all arabs are extremists...no

just let it go
i have a flea market going on next to my house in a big church...you wanna know how this will end??
do you think i will find any straights or not??

SOrry for the offensive remarks. I figured it best to remove it.
Sorry for offending the UK folks.
My Sincerest Apologies

One thing I do find rather disappointing is how fast we as a very diverse group start throwing "it's not as bad as this" barbs...

I have never really understood that reasoning...

As though one wrong is lessened by the wrong of another group...



Here is one thing I would like to ask...

Islamic nations are governed by Islamic laws and their holy leaders, so if said holy leader issues a fatah or cries for a jihad against the west or America in particular.... Does that mean that we as Americans should consider that as a declaration of war???? Their edict says to kill the Infidel and Americans in particular.... So I ask should I as an American accept that as open warfare...
Isn't that a fair assumption that if somebody declares a holy war against the west that we as the west should consider ourselves at war... and with whom??? How do we know who we are fighting ??? who does this Imam speak for???
Is he for real??? are his followers really trying to kill us??? do they wear a uniform so we know who they are???? did he just tell all Muslims to kill us or just his Muslims???? who is trying to kill us???

This is the real problem

We don't know who is who...

So when you say "please don't group all Muslim's together" I answer "Well then tell us who wants war and who doesn't"???

Because when somebody says "Kill the American" we have every right in the world to defend ourselves and our interests just like every other nation, or person does... It isn't our fault if they hide behind innocents, it is theirs...
That is what terrorism really is...

Now you guys can do the turn it around thing and let's say James Dobson of Focus on the Family fame told all his folowers go forward and kill the Muslims all Muslims are satanists and follow the devil kill them all....
Wouldn't we as the rest of America, be expected to quash this????? wouldn't we want to step forward and stop this???

Originally Posted by ri7ani

just woke up.....first thing i did was to catch up with this thread. seriously you guys lets just end this and go back to our straights. after reading some posts i checked the url to see if i was on liveleak or not. i wasnt offended by any posts here yesterday or today..but some people may be offended easily.
i am muslim, you are chritian and he is a jew...so what... big deal,,the only thing where i can be judged better then you or worse than you is by my actions..........my actions only and not my background. do i say that all
americans killed the indians...no
do i say that all the french people sold the jews in ww2..no
do i judge the germans for hitler and 2 world wars..no (fine straights by the way)
do all the chinese hate the dalai lama...no
do i say all the brits invaded almost half of the planet ...no (fine straights by the way)

all arabs are extremists...no

just let it go
i have a flea market going on next to my house in a big church...you wanna know how this will end??
do you think i will find any straights or not??

I'm sorry sir, no personal issues here.But Islam is becomming a major thorne in the western world.You have to be completly blind not to see it.
All over europe muslims are forming paralell comunities, where they practice their own laws and customs.That is why I don't understand why you guys are talking about terrorism so much.That is not the biggest problem.The biggest problem is living with a large muslim population in everyday life.I'm sorry about this folks, but it is a damn fact.I'm talking from personal experience.To say that every culture is equal, just different is in my oppinion BS! Europeans don't have a habbit of molesting girls with a rusty knife, and force them to marry some rich old guy.We don't kill homosexuals.We don't decapitate criminals, and women is worth every bit as much as men! We are living in a culture that is far superior to any medieval muslim culture.And it is a betrayle to women and children, who really is the one who suffer, to state anything else.

This problem will only grow if we do not start to allow a public debate of this subject.To silence it only creates extremism.I read that every fifth british voter considered to vote for BNP.Go figure.....

Kristoffer

At first i have to say i am Muslim.(Raised as Atheist)
Now i read this thread it did nauseated me.
I go head and say There is no Perfect Religion out there. And i will stop in here about Religion.
I can see so many hatred in the thread and it really wonders me.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

One thing I do find rather disappointing is how fast we as a very diverse group start throwing "it's not as bad as this" barbs...

I have never really understood that reasoning...

As though one wrong is lessened by the wrong of another group...



Here is one thing I would like to ask...

Islamic nations are governed by Islamic laws and their holy leaders,

obslutley wrong Only 2 nation so far i know Iran and S.arabia. how about . Azerbaijan .Tajikistan ,Turnkey i don't know 100 more out there Glen

so if said holy leader issues a fatah or cries for a jihad

I would Ask you Glen meaning of the Jihad when and how someone call Jihad? I go head say Not every person grab a mic and call Muslims this is Jihad lets go head and Kill

against the west or America in particular.... Does that mean that we as Americans should consider that as a declaration of war???? Their edict says to kill the Infidel and Americans in particular....

Who ,When ,Where ? You mean In Iraq ? how many Innocent people we have killed in there?

So I ask should I as an American accept that as open warfare...
Isn't that a fair assumption that if somebody

Who is the somebody Osama Bin Laden you mean?

declares a holy war against the west that we as the west should consider ourselves at war... and with whom??? How do we know who we are fighting ??? who does this Imam speak for???
Is he for real??? are his followers really trying to kill us??? do they wear a uniform so we know who they are???? did he just tell all Muslims to kill us or just his Muslims???? who is trying to kill us???

This is the real problem

No This is not the problem. PROBLEM IS YOU AND I ARE PAWN IN CHESS BOARD AND WE THINK WE KNOW EVERYTING IN REALITY OUR KNOWLEDGE IS =O

We don't know who is who...

So when you say "please don't group all Muslim's together" I answer "Well then tell us who wants war and who doesn't"???

Because when somebody says "Kill the American" we have every right in the world to defend ourselves and our interests just like every other nation, or person does... It isn't our fault if they hide behind innocents, it is theirs...
That is what terrorism really is...

Now you guys can do the turn it around thing and let's say James Dobson of Focus on the Family fame told all his folowers go forward and kill the Muslims all Muslims are satanists and follow the devil kill them all....
Wouldn't we as the rest of America, be expected to quash this????? wouldn't we want to step forward and stop this???

I have never ever thought or had willing to kill some person etc. Actually i was the one of the 1 st person call to FBI and give information about OSAMA in 9/11.

I think who started this thread GOD HELP . i don't know what is your religion or intend to i would say good luck to you.

BTW Glen.If you decided to move to Norway after all these years, I'll bet you all my razors that you would not recognize it.Especially Oslo, sad but true.....


Kristoffer

still on with the thread.....anyway.. i went to the flea market and didnt find any straights....but there was a rack of smoking pipes....now i dont know anything about pipes but they were beautiful. 5 of'em in all

Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin

BTW Glen.If you decided to move to Norway after all these years, I'll bet you all my razors that you would not recognize it.Especially Oslo, sad but true.....


Kristoffer

That is sad...
One of the reasons I love North Idaho is that it reminded me of Norway so much, just a huge lake instead of the Fjords...


Sorry off topic