Thread: Islam: The religion of peace????

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Ahhhhh
Name one...

The true problem with religion in general is it separates people, it dehumanizes those that don't believe the same as you...

"My God is better then your God" has killed Billions...

It also gives an excuse to take...

But this thread is about Islam not Religion so I will back it down a notch...

Islam is just a perfect example of what can go wrong with Religious Power

Blaming religion as the basis for mass murder is not quite the whole story.

Stalin? Was he a religious man?

Mao? Was he a man of faith?

Hitler? He may have singled out the Jews, but that was based on their beliefs, not his.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Islam is just a perfect example of what can go wrong with Religious Power

So are Christianity and Catholicism.

I think some people need to do a check on a few things though. IMO Islamic does not equal terrorist, and never will. Generalising a population is just plane bad practice.

Actually I think Hitler had the view that the jewish were subhuman and plotting to take over the world. His view had everything to do with it.

You're right, religion is not the full story, but I don't think any one ever said it was. The statement ''my god is better than your god' has killed millions' is perfectly true.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Actually No
The excuse of the "Religion of Peace" is always used because they quote his early teachings...
These early teachings before he was in power, said to "live with and accept the Jews and Christians"...
Islamics use these today, as "proof" that it is a peaceful religion...

Acyually yes.
Muhammad spent his last ten years, from 622 to 632, as the leader of a Muslim community in Medina that was engaged in a state of war with the Meccans. Muhammad and the émigrées, known as the Muhajir, had earlier migrated from Mecca to Medina in what is known as the Hijra. Through raids, sieges, and diplomacy, he and his followers allied with or subdued most of the tribes and cities of the Arabian peninsula in their struggle with the powerful Banu Quraish of Mecca.
They also sent out raiding parties against Arabic-speaking communities ruled under the Roman Empire. Muhammad was believed by the Muslims to be divinely chosen to spread Islam and that warfare was one aspect of this struggle for the truth was clarified in its ultimate form.^[1] After initially refusing to accede to requests by his followers to fight the Meccans for what was viewed as continued provocation,^[2] he eventually proclaimed the revelations of the Quran:

"Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged -truly Allah has the power to come to their support- those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, 'Our Lord is Allah'..." (Qur'an, 22:39-40)"

After the first battle of Badr against the Quraysh, he is reported as having said "We have returned from the lesser Jihad to the greater Jihad (i.e. the struggle against the evil of one's soul)."^[3] John Esposito writes that Muhammad's use of warfare in general was alien neither to Arab custom nor to that of the Hebrew prophets, as both believed that God had sanctioned battle with the enemies of the Lord.^[4]

Originally Posted by gregs656

So are Christianity and Catholicism.

I think some people need to do a check on a few things though. IMO Islamic does not equal terrorist, and never will. Generalising a population is just plane bad practice.

yes but this has changed in the last 150 or so years, the muslim is not evolving as a religion.

Originally Posted by mainaman

yes but this has changed in the last 150 or so years, the muslim is not evolving as a religion.

Or maybe it's just evolving differently?

Or perhaps it is your perception of where Islam is that is affecting your judgment of how 'evolved' it is as a religion.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Or maybe it's just evolving differently?

Or perhaps it is your perception of where Islam is that is affecting your judgment of how 'evolved' it is as a religion.

Unless I missed when Christians went to holly war against Muslim world , then my perception is correct.
Last religious war started by christians was what the 6th Crusade?
I am not sure what is your religious affiliation, but I happen to know some people that say come from Iran, and it looks like in Iran they have some pretty medieval views on things in life.

Religious discussions are pointless and nothing good comes out of them.
I am out of this one.

Thats just it tough, Islam is far from "just" a religion. It is a powerfull political weapon to ment to destroy western civilization.And the only reason that they are slowly successfull, is that we are helping them!


Kristoffer.

PS: Don't compare todays reformed christianity with islam, that is rediculous.

Kris:

Honest I am agreeing with you, Islam is a religion based on war and conquest...

But his early teachings before he attained power were "more" peaceful...

The real problem comes in the practice of Abjucation (sp) by the Koran which says the if there is a conflict of the teaching of Mohammad then the later teaching is correct...
So when Moderate Muslims claim the "Religion of Peace" this is against the actual teachings in the Koran...

I'm with Slarti on this -- I know the intent was to move certain posts from the Fort Hood thread, but this can only end badly.

I'm sure that SRP has had/currently has/will have Muslim members. I always argue against the notion that people who snap did so because they watched certain movies, listened to certain music or played certain video games.

All religions have shed blood. All religions have extreme members who do stupid things in the name of their teachings. I think that the nut job at Fort Hood had many other factors aside from religion that contributed to his actions.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Blaming religion as the basis for mass murder is not quite the whole story.

Stalin? Was he a religious man?

Mao? Was he a man of faith?

Hitler? He may have singled out the Jews, but that was based on their beliefs, not his.

I never claimed it to be the "whole" story

And even in your examples Religion or rather anti-religion did play a part...