Thread: GOD, COUNTRY, DUTY AND HONOR

this post is about whether or not we should allow muslims into our military in light of what happened at FT. HOOD and also sometime back where a military member tossed a grenade into a tent with fellow service members.
when i went into the service sometime back (1977 U.S NAVY) we were all under the creed that the marines used for hundreds of years until just recently and that was GOD, COUNTRY, DUTY AND HONOR. also with the fact many service members have security clearances and were not even considered for any position if they were muslim or had any links to a foreign government.
i AM NOT trying to insult any muslim, as i see it is their choice of religion and i have no problems with that. the problem i have is when our young men and women are serving and get killed by an extremist muslim serving in the same unit as them. most muslim people i have met are peaceful and great people.
the point is why we take any chance with our men and women. there are other ways for american muslims to serve our nation without being in the military.
i do not hope anyone takes offense, that is not what this is about.

I think this thread sucks

WHY? please elaborate......i want to hear all opinions, that is why i started the thread.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

WHY? please elaborate......i want to hear all opinions, that is why i started the thread.

it could stir a flame war..
what difference does it make the religion? You can't join the military if you are not a citizen. If some citizens can join some can't based on religion, isn't that against the freedom of religion set in stone by constitution?

Originally Posted by mainaman

it could stir a flame war..
what difference does it make the religion? You can't join the military if you are not a citizen. If some citizens can join some can't based on religion, isn't that against the freedom of religion set in stone by constitution?

not at all, since the creed i reference is about judeo/christian not any other religion. this was the foundation of this country. it was not about other religion, but freedom of religion when referring to state run religion and how each person wanted to worship GOD.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

not at all, since the creed i reference is about judeo/christian not any other religion. this was the foundation of this country. it was not about other religion, but freedom of religion when referring to state run religion and how each person wanted to worship GOD.

I think you got the bit about the religion of your founders wrong. Same for the GOD part, by the way.

Just a small reminder of the forum rules, gentlemen: SRP rules of conduct - Straight Razor Place Wiki.

Caddy,

No matter what a person replies to this thread, the THOUGHT POLICE are gonna come out of the woodwork and declare you, me and anyone else who posts, to be narrow minded, bigoted, rotten individuals, who don't deserve the breath of life.
As Jeff Cooper said a few years ago..."As far as I can tell when someone is careful to be 'politically correct' today, he talks like a fool."
Therefore I will refrain from giving my opinion, to avoid vexing the "Professionally Offended."

Regards,

Jeeter

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the problem i have is when our young men and women are serving and get killed by an extremist muslim serving in the same unit as them.

Your post provides no reason whatsoever to ban all Muslims from the (I presume US) military

I think you're fishing for someone to make your point for you

By your implied logic, any extremist who claims any kind of faith would provoke a similar ban response to all adherents to that faith

More Muslims have put their lives on the line for the USA than the one who went nuts after listening to people's war stories and problems. I think you should explain your reasoning or if you're not willing, to let the thread go

From the first post:

Originally Posted by 59caddy

also with the fact many service members have security clearances and were not even considered for any position if they were muslim or had any links to a foreign government.

Any sources for the claim that people were denied positions simply for being Muslim? I'm not disputing you, but I've never heard of any policies like that in the US armed forces.

Originally Posted by northpaw

From the first post:



Any sources for the claim that people were denied positions simply for being Muslim? I'm not disputing you, but I've never heard of any policies like that in the US armed forces.

i will not be able to give you specifics since most are classified. but in order to get a top secret clearance for communications tech you could not be a foreign national or have ties to any nation or group of people having any type of extreme views. these were the rules in 1977-1981, things may or may not have changed since then. this was again only for military members holding high security clearances, not the regular troops and sailors or other members. also most officers held some type of clearance depending on their duty.
the whole intent of the thread to glean thoughts about a terrible tragedy to people, not only here but around the world. the only way to ever think of learning and understanding one another is through conversation and by personal experience and through the help of others.