Thread: There's water on the MOON!

Originally Posted by Bruno

It's a resource, lying around, waiting to be used.
It's availability should be assessed, and used accordingly.
If there is only 100 liters, there is no point in using it.
If there is something the size of lake michigan, then I am all for using it., for example to fuel fusion reactors if we ever get around to building any.

Just leaving stuff in place because it is there is pointless. We might as well stop existing as a species. It is also a bit contradictory that you should post that opinion, using a computer that was built with finite resources extracted from the earth, powered by electricity that is not renewable

Waiting to be used? Can it be waiting for anything?

It facinates me that even after the way we have treated this Earth and seen the effects, we still look to exploit and finite reserve, from some where not on this planet. Leaving stuff in place because it is there is not pointless, we shouldn't, and don't need that resource to survive on this Earth.

I would love to be in a position where I relied less on fossil fuels. I am learning about what I can eat locally, and where to find it.

I don't think it's a bad thing that I can sit here today and say the way we live is wrong and completely unsustainable. The arrogance of men has a lot to answer for.

'To the ends that the men in space might need' well, why don't you worry about the people here for now. Plenty of them don't have enough water either.

Originally Posted by red96ta

It is evidence that life may exist outside out own planet as water is a fundamental building block for all life.

While I believe there MAY be life on other planets, water on the moon is evidence of nothing except water on the moon, nothing more. There is no atmosphere on the moon, so life as we know it, has never existed on the moon. There will never be life on the moon unless it is in the confines of a man-made environment and then, only the life that man decides to deposit there.

Much of the water in the universe is believed to be a byproduct of the birth of stars. When a star is born there is an explosion of gases and dust that compresses the hydrogen and oxygen in the surrounding area and fusing them into water vapor. There are great interstellar clouds of water vapor in our Milky Way galaxy and probably in other galaxies as well. Each of the planets in our solar system was formed in these interstellar clouds and each has water present in one form or another.

The point of my post, this and earlier post, is that water is probably the most abundant compound in the universe and we shouldn't be surprised to find it on celestial bodies other than earth But that does not mean that there is life on other planets in our solar system or in any other solar system in our universe. There may be, but the existence of water does not mean that there is and it doesn't mean that there isn't.

Originally Posted by gregs656

It facinates me that even after the way we have treated this Earth and seen the effects, we still look to exploit and finite reserve, from some where not on this planet. Leaving stuff in place because it is there is not pointless, we shouldn't, and don't need that resource to survive on this Earth.

Our very existence depends on using non renewable resources.
Either we consume, or we go extinct, or we go back to being hunter gatherers. The last 2 are not good choices imo.

So ignoring the energy aspect atm, we depend on finding new resources in order to make the things we so cherish, like meds, computers, electronics, and many other things. Having access to water is almost a prerequisite to be able to use the moon as a stepping stone for space travel or to set up a scientific base there. So if there is water enough lying around on the moon, I see no reason not to use it.

And while it is true that there are enough problems here on earth to solve, that will always be the case. We can't put everything on hold until we've fixed everything, because then we'll be waiting forever.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

While I believe there MAY be life on other planets, water on the moon is evidence of nothing except water on the moon, nothing more. There is no atmosphere on the moon, so life as we know it, has never existed on the moon. There will never be life on the moon unless it is in the confines of a man-made environment and then, only the life that man decides to deposit there.

Correction. Life as we know it is not currently there.
Moon may have had an atmosphere. And even if it didn't, then water means oxygen, which could mean life. Earth life started in the ocean as well.

Life has been found in some of the most inhospitable places, including at the bottom of the atlantic, and even at the cracks of the ocean floor where lava oozes out. I don't think these organisms care about our atmosphere one way or the other.

Originally Posted by gregs656

'To the ends that the men in space might need' well, why don't you worry about the people here for now. Plenty of them don't have enough water either.

Of course you are completely correct, but that is a separate, higher priority issue. Here are some thoughts.
In The Deep End » Blog Archive » On Environmentalism

Originally Posted by Bruno

Our very existence depends on using non renewable resources.
Either we consume, or we go extinct, or we go back to being hunter gatherers. The last 2 are not good choices imo.

Does it really. Since when? I would say that our CURRENT existence depends on using non renewable energy sources, but that does not have to be true. In fact, we are being forced out of this wasteful existence day by day, as those finite resources run out.

We do not need to use fossil fuels to make medicine, we need fossil fuels to mass produce synthetic copies of natural occurring medicine. Incidentally, I'm not a huge fan of medicine either, but that is neither here nor there in this thread.

Do you cherish your computer, medicine and electronics more than the Earth it's self?

I'm staggered that people think it's a good idea to support or current existence by pillaging every known resource we come across off this Earth as well as on it.

I don't think it would take much to fix everything. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure that between running out of fossil fuels and climate change most of our problems will be solved. I can only hope that people learn from our mistakes and live in such a way that we take what we need and don't expand to the point we have.

I do not believe that people should live for ever and we should try and save every one, I am a firm believer in death as a positive force, unfortunately that system is totally out of balance.

We do not need the water on the moon.