Thread: Oh my goodness, YES!

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

[B][I]And not all Americans can detect the liars

Yeah if they could we might have avoided the war in Iraq.

Originally Posted by commiecat

x What bothers me is when they intentionally lie to either push their own agenda, or slander the opposition. I think FOX does this all too often.

If it wasn't for Fox News we would've never found out about:

Van Jones
Daschle
Richardson
Geithner
Acorn

and the list goes on, and on, and on

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Yeah if they could we might have avoided the war in Iraq.

And have MaCain as President

Originally Posted by mnealtx

Many Only a few states have various punishments for faithless electors.

fixed that for you. Furthermore

Originally Posted by http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/electionross4.htm

these penalties generally are light. No faithless elector ever has been prosecuted under one of these statutes.

Originally Posted by mnealtx

Ok, and? The national popular vote doesn't matter - only the popular vote for each state (except Nebraska and Maine - they do proportional by district, so two votes go by state popular and the rest by district popular).

To address your "ignore the strong statement" comment, I will repeat what I said, above, and expand upon it slightly so that it is clear.

Uhm... consult my post 59 and post 62 in this thread.

Originally Posted by Allen

Besides, we're talking about someone that couldn't even finish out their term as governor due to "pressure" and "personal issues", so I just laugh when someone says that she is ready to run one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

Did you laugh when our current commander in chief was elected?

Originally Posted by CableDawg

Did you laugh when our current commander in chief was elected?

Nope, I'd say it was closer to crying tears of sorrow.

Originally Posted by Allen

Nope, I'd say it was closer to crying tears of sorrow.

It's nice to see we both agree that neither had the experience to run the country.

Originally Posted by gugi

Technically most of the American people voted for Al Gore, so they did elect him, but the American people don't have the right to elect their president. They can only elect electors of the president, and even with that it's quite likely that the people elected electors who would have elected Al Gore. However the people's appointed and elected elite didn't really care to get to the bottom of this so at the end of the day GW Bush was appointed president.

According to the link concerning voting numbers you provided. There was around 51 percent of voting age voters who voted, and of that number around 51 percent voted for AL if you lump all voters into one group(which we dont in the USA). So according to this about 26 percent of the americans eligible to vote, voted for gore. By voting as seperate states, it is possible to lose in the popular vote and win in the state by state vote(electors) which has been touched on already. And has been already touched on, Gore was trying to circumvent election law in florida, the SC wasnt trying to circumvent the vote. So no most of the american people DID NOT vote for AL. And no Al did not have his presidency stole from him by the supreme court.
Your post 59 did make one good point, yes we do need to return to the republic and throw away this democracy, IMO. But it is not so much to rein in the american people but to be true to the basic law of the land, the constitution, the document meant to rein in the federal government.

Originally Posted by gugi

Actually the claim you were making was that most can, which is evidenced in the popularity of Fox.... This has to do with hard numbers. Most is a very precise term with very serious consequences

Of course that would only specifically be based on 'news viewership' and not voters, which are not the same thing. Many 'voters' have no idea what is going on, in part because they are not 'news viewers'.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Yeah if they could we might have avoided the war in Iraq.

Doubtful. Almost everyone in Congress voted to go ahead with it and they all had the same intel.