Thread: massachusetts goes red!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by treydampier

That's perfectly ok. Just don't force me to give mine to those "in need".

Then how about this:

Big government -- taking your money and giving it to those in need.
Big business -- taking your money and giving it to those with enough already.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Then how about this:

Big government -- taking your money and giving it to those in need.
Big business -- taking your money and giving it to those with enough already.

Big government--taking your money and giving it to those it determines are in need.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Big government--taking your money and giving it to those it determines are in need.

Big business -- taking your money and giving it to those it determines.

Personally, I trust business slightly less than I trust government. At least government has a responsibility to the people and officials need votes to keep their jobs. A business' obligations are to money and shareholders and consumers have no say in corporate structure.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Sorry that's part of living in the USA.

I guess this means you're against the US sending aid to Haiti? Since you're being forced to help them and they're definitely "in need".

HUH????

And yes I am against using taxpayer money in Haiti as in everywhere else that is not US soil...
If I want to donate, then I can donate, but don't tell me I am donating, not while there is one AMERICAN in need, Take that 100 million that we/you/I just borrowed from China for Haiti and apply it to the Health care system in the US of A...Wellllll???? BTW how much "aid $$$$" did China pledge??? How about Saudi Arabia????

edit: and for this we got told by France we were trying to occupy Haiti are you kidding me???? what is the name of that French ship sitting in the port with 500 medical personal on board????? hmmm I seem to have forgotten

Charity is Charity not my taxes....

I have never made out a check to a CEO of any company BTW, they have made out a few to me, if I have a job with that "big business"

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I have never made out a check to a CEO of any company BTW, they have made out a few to me, if I have a job with that "big business"

And I've never directed my taxes explicitly to help something I didn't truly support. Unfortunately the government still decides where my taxes go just like a company decides where its profits go. You don't have to write the CEO a check directly -- they will be happy seeing you help increase their sales. You contribute to their salary, stock options, bonuses, and "campaign funds" directed towards whatever politicians will help them the most financially. Payroll is just a budget line-item.

Just like there are real people in need and people just looking to abuse the system, there are companies who justify their incomes and those that abuse the system.

I agree with you fundamentally about taxes and charity but do note that our taxes have been spent in the Middle East for years. If I had to choose between supporting occupation in Iraq and humanitarian aid to Haiti, I'd go with the latter.

Originally Posted by commiecat

And I've never directed my taxes explicitly to help something I didn't truly support. Unfortunately the government still decides where my taxes go just like a company decides where its profits go. You don't have to write the CEO a check directly -- they will be happy seeing you help increase their sales. You contribute to their salary, stock options, bonuses, and "campaign funds" directed towards whatever politicians will help them the most financially. Payroll is just a budget line-item.

It is their money they earned it !!! I don't like being told how to spend mine I am good with them spending theirs how they want... As long as it is legal

Just like there are real people in need and people just looking to abuse the system, there are companies who justify their incomes and those that abuse the system.

I agree with you fundamentally about taxes and charity but do note that our taxes have been spent in the Middle East for years. If I had to choose between supporting occupation in Iraq and humanitarian aid to Haiti, I'd go with the latter.

War -vs- Charity not even in the same ballpark...

I do however agree we should not be there, we should have leveled the place and left "War is Bad"

Edit BTW have you noticed I am not all over the "Republican" win in Mass. because this guy is an Independent and I have to agree with much of what he says maybe we need more for the 80% of us in the middle and less for the 10% on either side

when are both parties going to stop spending money(anywhere) that we do not have? balance the books first, then think about spending....stop the insanity.....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

HUH????

Taxpayer money was used to help Haiti. I'm not sure what you're saying HUH too?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

And yes I am against using taxpayer money in Haiti as in everywhere else that is not US soil...
If I want to donate, then I can donate, but don't tell me I am donating, not while there is one AMERICAN in need

Donating money from private citizens would not have gotten the US military and all it's equipment to help Haiti. Nor the fire fighters.

I agree we should do more for those in need here in the US but I don't think that should stop us from helping other nations when the need arises.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

BTW how much "aid $$$$" did China pledge??? How about Saudi Arabia????

Why would that be important?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Charity is Charity not my taxes....

I have never made out a check to a CEO of any company BTW, they have made out a few to me, if I have a job with that "big business"

Well you haven't but the govt. has with your money.

Big business- Once a small business, someone's dream of success and prosperity (read: profit, high salaries, bonuses, etc) come to fruition due to inspiration and perspiration in an environment of competition and free markets, and perpetuated by people's free choice to purchase products or services because there is a perceived need, want, and/ or benefit for those products and services.

Originally Posted by CableDawg

While it's nice to see this, the real test will be in November. I just hope that America doesn't have the short term memory of past elections.....

What America needs to remember is that niether party is their friend and voting for independents will change the attitudes and priorities of the big 2.