Thread: massachusetts goes red!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by honedright

Big business- Once a small business, someone's dream of success and prosperity (read: profit, high salaries, bonuses, etc) come to fruition due to inspiration and perspiration in an environment of competition and free markets, and perpetuated by people's free choice to purchase products or services because there is a perceived need, want, and/ or benefit for those products and services.

Ahh, if only that were true it'd be a really sweet story.

Big government - once a small government, many people's dream of success and prosperity come to fruition due to inspiration and perspiration in an environment of representation, and perpetuated by people's free choice to vote what laws and taxes go into play because there is a perceived need, want, and/or benefit to those laws and taxes.

We can do this all day if you'd like. I said upthread that I admit that there are good and bad companies, as well as good and bad citizens and government programs.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Ahh, if only that were true it'd be a really sweet story.

Big government - once a small government, many people's dream of success and prosperity come to fruition due to inspiration and perspiration in an environment of representation, and perpetuated by people's free choice to vote what laws and taxes go into play because there is a perceived need, want, and/or benefit to those laws and taxes.

We can do this all day if you'd like. I said upthread that I admit that there are good and bad companies, as well as good and bad citizens and government programs.

Bad companies? You mean unethical or poorly run? Those only continue to operate via statist governments through public plunder, or, by the consent of their customers, either informed or uninformed (caveat emptor).

"Big government - once a small government, (bloated by) many people's dream of success and prosperity (at others expense) come to fruition due to inspiration and perspiration in an environment of (reckless) representation, and perpetuated by people's free choice to vote what laws and taxes go into play because there is a perceived need, want, and/or benefit to those laws and taxes (regardless of it's effect on the health of a nation as a whole)."

Originally Posted by honedright

Bad companies? You mean unethical? Those only continue to operate by the consent of their customers, either informed or uninformed (caveat emptor).

The ones who want and dream of big government programs, and the taxes to fund them, are those who expect prosperity without the expense of their own inspiration and perspiration.

Well the unethical companies were just a small portion. I've no interest in looking up the numbers, but I'd guess that the majority of corporations that I consider "big business" are generations removed from the small business owners who actually started them. They also have the responsibility to their consumers, especially if they are a publicly-traded company. Caveat venditor.

Don't mistake my position on health care with being in favor of big government because I'm generally against both bigs being discussed. Big business supports big government who in turn supports big business, and on and on.

EDIT: Look, I can post the same red marks in your definition of "big business". Big business has been bloated at others' expense, which leads to recklessness and not caring about the effect on the health of a nation as a whole. That's exactly what I was pointing out by linking to the various corporate scandals of recent years! I didn't really think you'd take me up on doing this all day...

Originally Posted by commiecat

I didn't really think you'd take me up on doing this all day...

Now, now...the day has hardly begun .

But about that Scott Brown.....

It took a while, but it's about time that "hope and change" started showing up!

The only problem with Scott Brown is that he is one of the people responsible for bringing the current health care system to the State of Massachusetts.

Which is similar to Obama's plan.