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    Quote Originally Posted by mhailey View Post
    I'm sorry, but Fox is the best. The rest are crap, unless you consider ignoring stories as great reporting.

    Scooter Libby found not guilty (he was guilty):
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    Sheldon Whitehouse is a winning republican (he's democrat):
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    John McCain is a democrat (he's not):
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    Mark Foley is a democrat (he's not):
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    Mark Sanford is a democrat (he's not):
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    Lamar Alexander is a democrat (he's not):
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    Pat Toomey is a democrat (he's not)
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    Shall I continue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desdinova View Post
    news network viewing increases as total TV hours decreases. Regardless of left or right political view.
    That's not quite what I was after, but my post was certainly ambiguous. What I'd like to see is this:

    Those who prefer
    Fox News: typically watch A hours of TV per week
    CNN: typically watch B hours of TV per week
    MSNBC: typically watch C hours of TV per week
    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northpaw View Post
    That's not quite what I was after, but my post was certainly ambiguous. What I'd like to see is this:

    Those who prefer
    Fox News: typically watch A hours of TV per week
    CNN: typically watch B hours of TV per week
    MSNBC: typically watch C hours of TV per week
    etc.
    What will this show you?
    What do you suspect the outcome will be?

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    JMS - I suspect that if these numbers were taken in combination with other new sources, it may give a fuller picture of why the ratings are the way they are.

    Because if we're going to accept the idea that Fox is conservative and MSNBC is liberal (I'd choose differently words for both, but that's me), then there's really no reason MSNBC's ratings would be much lower if everyone from both camps watched TV for their news. The political opinion break-down is relatively even.

    I suspect the internet, age, income, and other factors have something to do with it.

    I don't watch TV at all. I do watch things online, but I don't even own a TV. Though I assure you, if I did, I would not be watching Fox News.

    So, someone like me who doesn't get news from TV at all (and there are more every day) is rendering these polls meaningless, because the assumption people are making is that fewer people watch certain channels because there are fewer people of that opinion. That simply isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS View Post
    What will this show you?
    What do you suspect the outcome will be?
    Like Mistress Nomad says, it could shed light on what the poll does or doesn't really indicate, for one thing.

    I suspect the outcome would be that those who prefer Fox News tend to be more avid TV viewers. As to what that would suggest, well, I guess people would probably interpret it in different ways.

    Since we don't have those figures at the moment this is all hypothetical, of course, but if it were true, what would it suggest to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by northpaw View Post
    That's not quite what I was after, but my post was certainly ambiguous. What I'd like to see is this:

    Those who prefer
    Fox News: typically watch A hours of TV per week
    CNN: typically watch B hours of TV per week
    MSNBC: typically watch C hours of TV per week
    etc.

    they would all see the same trend.

    newsjunkies are newsjunkies, regardless of political views

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhailey View Post
    I'm sorry, but Fox is the best. The rest are crap, unless you consider ignoring stories as great reporting.
    Best at what? Being fair and balanced? I don't think so.

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    I don't care one way or the other about "fair and balanced" I watch Fox because they are always Right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCshaver View Post
    Best at what? Being fair and balanced? I don't think so.
    Last edited by mhailey; 04-01-2010 at 06:00 PM.

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    I think MistressNomad brought up what I think is the most important part of this discussion, and although it is her/your quote in this instance I am not directing my assertions to her/you. It is a phrase I have heard many times, and well as the 180 deg. POV, just change fox to any of the other networks.

    MN "Though I assure you, if I did, I would not be watching Fox News"

    I'm not implying, that only the liberal minded, close themselves off to opposing POV's, it happens on both sides, but its only a contridiction on the liberal side as far as descriptions go, is it not? IMO, it seems to happen the most the further left or right, away from center one gets, since those not of our thinking are just not enlightened enough to fully comprehend it.

    IMO, we only grow physically, when we challenge our bodies just as our intellect grows, only when we challenge it and we cant do that if we only expose ourselves to what we already believe, or if we allow others to do our thinking/research for us. I watch Fox, CNN, and even Msnbc from time to time, I have seen mistakes, lies, and misinformation, (even those mistakes listed by Commiecat, but that doesnt mean I believed them just cause I was stupid enough to be watching fox), on each of them, hell nobody is perfect, but I found those mistakes by actually watching and using my own reason/mind. I even forced myself to read "the promise of american life" which is one of the most cited progressive 'handbooks' out there, a glowing tribute to Teddy and Woodrow, it was the longest week of my life, and how wrong its conclusions were, I lost count on the times we were described as a democracy, but I still exposed myself to the other POV. If our opinions are so frail, we cant challenge them, I think it proves them false, or at the very least not complete. Truth needs no other protection, than to let all sides be heard, leaving the people to come to their own organically grown opinion, anything else is tyranny of the mind and is oppression. Difference of opinion is what advances society, not retard its progress, thats what group think does, as well does close mindedness, even if its a group of closeminded 'progressives', of which we have plenty of instances in our history to pull from, and have been clothed under the banner of both left, and right, democrat and republican and many, many other descriptions, the first thing any of them have done is made it illegal, or at the least very uncomfortable, to hold opposing POV's.

    I'll quit my now.

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