Thread: CNN & MSNBC are a joke

Originally Posted by JMS

You said it. You prove it.

As for your bias, it is clear by the wording and insults you hurled in the quoted text in that post. Insults do not refute but they do highlight where those who are hurling the insults are coming from

And the insult appears exactly where? You were insulted how, please?

Originally Posted by BobKincaid

One thing I've not seen brought up on this thread is the fact that many "basic" cable packages in the U.S. offer ONLY FoxNews. CNN, MSNBC, etc. cost extra. That, by definition, skews the sample in FoxNews' favor.

This growing trend is further indication that, as is the case in almost every other medium, right-wing information conduits cannot "win" on a level playing field. Just as Phlush Phlegmball has a three minute delay to make sure he always wins, so, too, Fox is attempting to make sure its ratings go "up" by making itself ubitquitous on basic cable packages.

As such, those ratings numbers really don't mean much.

P.S. One of the original links was to Don Surber. As a West Virginian, I can tell you that if Don Surber said it was raining, I'd have no qualms about going outside without my raincoat. He may actually be more ignorant than a stopped clock, which has the benefit of being correct twice a day.

You must have the only cable package in the world without CNN.

What mediums are we talking about that aren't level playing fields? Last I knew most TV stations were owned by some of the largest contributors the DNC has ever had yet FOX News still out ranks them in viewership. Radio is dominated by right side of the aisle voices but that is because they have a several decades long history of bringing in the listeners and therefore the advertisers and dollars. NPR simply doesn't draw the listeners despite having the same level of saturation in most every market. If anything is skewed towards the conservative it must be the audience who pays attention to the news nothing more. Apparently you object to people being able to choose what they listen to or watch and object to for profit businesses catering to the people who bring them money.

Originally Posted by BobKincaid

And the insult appears exactly where? You were insulted how, please?

It was not I who was insulted and I doubt the intended victim of your insult will ever see it. Let me ask you though. what if I should call you "Slob Phinkaid" instead of Bob? Wouldn't I be throwing insults at you? You may not get insulted but I would still be "hurling insults". I do believe that gentlemen do not engage in hurling such childish insults no matter how different their thoughts on politics are.

Correct...discussion is about presenting your thoughts and if challenged, debating them, if you care too, or letting it go if you don't want to be bothered.

Not being a Fox-Fan, so to speak, I would still discount the thoughts of anyone who who tried dismissing or discrediting slogans in the absence of facts...like Faux News or saying, Fox definitely lies more than the other networks...it seems more like throwing something against the wall and hoping it will stick. A word that comes to mind is slander...resorted to in frustration when absent sustenance to the position taken...

What I have noted in difference between these news sources is it seems to me that those other than Fox are more processed, production oriented and concocted...almost as though presenting the news in a way that follows the agenda, (whatever it may be)....Fox though it can fairly be stated that it appears to have a conservative bend...my impression has always been that they debate...welcome debate and ask questions that some are not particularly comfortable with...I saw an interview with President Obama and a commentator of Fox about two weeks ago, and it appeared to me that the President waffled on some pretty fair/logical questions and finally, exerted the authority of his office to avoid answering the question(s)...

I'm not saying that Fox is buttered bread, but, I do think that most of the negative is based in unsubtantiated accusations, slogans and plays on the name brand...pretty weak and this would point to the fact that they make a lot of people in Washington uncomfortable...so, how bad can they be?

Our basic cable package does not include CNN or Fox. We do get ABC, CBS NBC and PBS. I'm talking the very BASIC package.

Originally Posted by Miner123

Our basic cable package does not include CNN or Fox. We do get ABC, CBS NBC and PBS. I'm talking the very BASIC package.

Fox and Fox News Channel are separate; Fox should come with all basic packages or be available over the air like ABC, CBS and NBC.

Originally Posted by Miner123

Our basic cable package does not include CNN or Fox. We do get ABC, CBS NBC and PBS. I'm talking the very BASIC package.

Those aren't even cable stations. If all you get are your local networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) you could save a lot of money with a roof antenna and a Digital converter box (assuming you have an older TV since it isn't a priority for you).

Every basic cable package I've ever seen has CNN, ESPN, USA, TNT, and others. If you are going to pay for TV you should at least get something that isn't floating on the airwaves for free.


If you have COmcast cable you also have MSNBc and CNBC as Comcast has a controlling interest in NBC networks. They being the nearest cable provider to my house (rural area so I get satellite TV) offer 9 news channels in their most basic package only 2 of which (FOX News, and FOX Business) are FOX.


One thing that hasn't been debate yet is why FOX News was created. It is the Newest of the cable news networks and was created by a company that has had a knack for seeing the gaps it could fill in the marketplace and jumping into them with great results for its bottom line.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

One thing that hasn't been debate yet is why FOX News was created. It is the Newest of the cable news networks and was created by a company that has had a knack for seeing the gaps it could fill in the marketplace and jumping into them with great results for its bottom line.

I would agree with that...as it seems that virtually all network non-Fox cable news sources are left-leaning, it would make sense that Fox, may simply be filling the void of a center-right country...as stated below earlier in this thread...

Originally Posted by hardblues

Ex-Fox-News personality Eric Burns has suggested in an interview that Fox "probably gives voice to more conservatives than the other networks. But not at the expense of liberals." Burns justifies a higher exposure of conservatives by saying that other media often ignore conservatives.

Simply, another way of looking at it, or, something to take into consideration anyway...Perhaps their marking idea is in recognition that the many other networks and news sources leave a rather large void in the conservative market and they are capturing that market...as a center-right country that would seem intelligent business....

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Those aren't even cable stations. If all you get are your local networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) you could save a lot of money with a roof antenna and a Digital converter box (assuming you have an older TV since it isn't a priority for you).

Every basic cable package I've ever seen has CNN, ESPN, USA, TNT, and others. If you are going to pay for TV you should at least get something that isn't floating on the airwaves for free.


If you have COmcast cable you also have MSNBc and CNBC as Comcast has a controlling interest in NBC networks. They being the nearest cable provider to my house (rural area so I get satellite TV) offer 9 news channels in their most basic package only 2 of which (FOX News, and FOX Business) are FOX.


One thing that hasn't been debate yet is why FOX News was created. It is the Newest of the cable news networks and was created by a company that has had a knack for seeing the gaps it could fill in the marketplace and jumping into them with great results for its bottom line.

We get other channels, but I was talking about channels that covered the news. We get about 18 channels. It's Time Warner Cable.

Originally Posted by Miner123

We get other channels, but I was talking about channels that covered the news. We get about 18 channels. It's Time Warner Cable.

WOW, Only 18 channels. That sucks, I feel for you dude. I'd look into satellite if I were you. I can get in more than 18 channels with a directional roof antenna from my house.