Quote Originally Posted by gugi View Post
OK, I think you probably have somewhat different definition of fundamentals than I do, but for the sake of having a rational argument, let's not rely on postulates (framers had it right) and false substitutions (the desired results with the actual framework).

As far as I can tell especially nowadays it is extremely rare that people are denied their right to vote (and of course that's different than it once was, but it was changed within the proscribed process of doing it).
And the different branches of the government still function as prescribed, so there are various 'checks and balances' in place.

If you would to convince me everything is set up properly, but somehow somebody didn't do it as it was meant to be done you will have to point out who, when and what was done wrong and then you'll have to answer my first question, why wasn't that (self)corrected, if the system is really set up well.

From what I can see the current result is just a natural outcome of the way the political system is designed to work. And I have thought about this for several years now, it's not something I decided to post because it just occurred to me.
I'm not sure why you believe there is a false substitution in my statement, but if you want to take this offline, I would be happy to teach you about Metaphysics, Epistomology, Logic, Ethics/Politics and Esthetics. I can show you exactly where your metaphysics is incorrect, and therefore you are making illegal epistomological substitutions in your logic statements.

PM me if you want to take this deeper, otherwise, I'm afraid we will be batting a birdie over the net for too many hours in this thread.