Thread: Big hub-bub in Arizona right now...

driving through arizona last july i went through several border patrol stops....and one lady asked me if there was anyone else in the truck besides myself and my roommate.

Don't fall for it guys, this is a political play here on both sides...

One point that is getting lost in the shuffle is that LEO's can stop and ask anyone for ID in just about Anytown USA,,, you are supposed to be carrying an ID all the times if you cannot prove who you are they can detain you until you can ... These laws are just about everywhere, just because they are not enforced doesn't mean they are not on the books...

What Arizona is doing is pushing the Federal hand a bit, they are looking for more money to enforce the border....

Remove yourself from the emotional part of this and you will see both sides game as plain as day....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Don't fall for it guys, this is a political play here on both sides...

This is an interesting view on the subject: GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

Personally, I think it's a silly law.

There are much more productive ways to curb illegal immigration. For example, streamline the process to become a legal citizen. If my lineage had to jump through the hoops that today's immigrants go through, I might not be a U.S. citizen myself. We should consider that maybe this problem exists because we have a flawed system.

Impose stronger penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants. If they couldn't find work here then they wouldn't risk their lives crossing the border. People argue that there are American jobs taken by illegal citizens, and I agree that this is a travesty, but let's not overlook the fact that many companies abandoned good ol' American help to set up facilities in other countries to take advantage of cheap labor.

Also remember that our founding fathers were illegal immigrants, too!

you're on point man. You get the whole deal

Originally Posted by Proraso Man

you cannot be stopped without reasonable suspicion. if you haven't broken the law, and if you're not under arrest, you can walk away from a police officer.

there is no law requiring anyone to carry identification at any time. you must carry a drivers license to operate a motor vehicle. sometimes this license to drive is used as a photo-identification because it's handy. but make no mistake, it's not identification.

we live in a free state. keep it free by knowing your rights. I drive with a copy of the bill of rights in my car.

How is the weather on Planet Proraso? The entire issue here is the new law redefines "reasonable suspiscion". If say the police are called to a loud party, they will be able to detain anyone at that party who can't immediately prove citizenship. No more "walking away".