Thread: A question on Christian Scripture.

Originally Posted by kevint

Dear Paco; can you further extend your logic to the creation of man?
Genesis 2: 7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

For as you have said man cannot be perfect; is it then that God cannot be perfect?
I do not recall saying that as i do believe a believer will become complete,[perfect], at his ressurection. Which means not all mankind.
You did just say that man cannot be perfect even though it was written clearly to be complete;
Again i do not recall saying man cannot be perfect, he can through
SANCTIFICATION
The process of being made holy resulting in a changed life-style for the believer. The English word sanctification comes from the Latin santificatio, meaning the act/process of making holy, consecrated. In the Greek New Testament, the root hag- is the basis of hagiasmos, “holiness,” “consecration,” “sanctification”; hagiosyne, “holiness”; hagiotes, “holiness”; hagiazo “to sanctify,” “consecrate,” “treat as holy,” “purify”; and hagios, “holy,” “saint.”
Sanctification is most clearly seen in Hebrews. Christ's crucifixion makes possible the moving of the sinner from the profane to the holy (that is, sanctifies, makes holy) so that the believer can become a part of the temple where God dwells and is worshiped (Hebrews 13:11-16; Hebrews 2:9-11; Hebrews 10:10,Hebrews 10:14,Hebrews 10:29). Paul (Romans 15:16; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Ephesians 5:26-27; 2 Thessalonians 2:13) and Peter (1 Peter 1:2) both affirmed the work of the Holy Spirit in conversion as a sanctification, a making the believer holy so as to come before God in acceptance
perfect as your Father in heaven is complete; perfect.


let's look a few verses above your quote:

2Timothy¹ But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: ² For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, ³ unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, ⁴ traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, ⁵ having the form of godliness but denying its power
You can argue that it means to be perfect in the coming glory; however that sounds like denying the power; as the Kingdom of God is within you.
Excuse my ignorance, but i do not understand what your getting at.

Can you do me a favor; what words are used here in its original language? ¹⁶ All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,...

Strong's Number: 3956

pa=v

Original Word		Word Origin
	pa=v		including all the forms of declension
Transliterated Word		Phonetic Spelling
	Pas		pas
Parts of Speech		TDNT
	Adjective		5:886,795
Definition
	individually each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything collectively some of all types Strong's Number: 1124 grafh/

now lets just move things to a more convenient order
²⁰ knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, ²¹ for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

¹⁹ And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;

that sounds clearer to me, how bout you?

I just quoted that above showing scripture to be of God not man.

It seems as though we will not be able to come to a mutual agreement since we seem to have a basis from different authorities. I'm not saying this sarcastically, but I do not know what you give authority to.

I give Scripture the Final authority and do not question it, now i will research something that seems to be contradictory, but believing it can't be because it is of an all knowing God i must find wiser counsel to rectify this contradiction.

I do not see how i can claim to believe in a Eternal, all knowing, all powerful God and not believe everything He says as Truth. To do so would be saying He is a liar and if He is a liar why would i follow Him.
If I were not to believe that scripture is not totally true how do I know what parts are or are not, what do I use as final authority?
So it is either authoritative or not, I chose to believe it is.

Enjoyed the conversation