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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirlau View Post
    We would not be having a conversation; we would not have known of the shooting.
    We would not be having this conversation if the media and Sharpton hadn't decided to make money off of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelfixed View Post
    Wonder how this whole convo would shake out if he was a white Kid? just sayin.
    Just a week or two before the Trayvon mess, a 12 yo white male was chased from school to his home by two older black youth, they caught him on his front porch, there just happened to be a fuel can there, the fuel was doused onto the white male and ignited by the one of the blacks. This happened in Kansas City. It was hardly mentioned in the news. Fortunately the young man remembered to stop, drop and roll as his attackers fled. The young man did not recognize the older males.

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    Fat girls can be mean to skinny girls, but skinny firls cannot do the same to fat girls.

    Racial issues nowadays are always looked at in the light of previous experiences and cultural norms.
    Historically there has been a lot of violence against blacks. We're supposed to be past those transgressions of the past, but every incident brings back memories of the bad old days and triggers a strong reaction. Everyone is aware that blacks were treated very badly in the US up until not too long ago. And white people were in general not the victim of racial violence.

    So every time something like that happens, the incident with a black victim gets massive feedback due to the past when that violence was institutional and socially acceptable. Racial violence against white people was not, so every incident there is lacking that strong social feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhailey View Post
    So if a private detective is following a person they suspect of insurance fraud, and the person attacks the private detective for following him/her, then it is the private detective's fault?

    From what I can tell, and from what the evidence I have seen so far shows, Zimmerman was doing nothing illegal.
    Did the PI call 911 and then ignore the instructions to not follow the insurance fraud suspect? That little bit lends more to the vigilante/Zimmerman is the aggressor theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanjewell View Post
    Did the PI call 911 and then ignore the instructions to not follow the insurance fraud suspect? That little bit lends more to the vigilante/Zimmerman is the aggressor theory.
    I believe you are factually wrong. The 911 tape, by my review of it, shows Zimmerman complying with the statement from the 911 dispatcher to stop following Martin, and requesting to meet with the police when they arrive. George Zimmerman 911 Call To Stanford Police Department - YouTube


    If you are the aggressor, why are you calling 911, and then requesting to meet with the police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhailey View Post
    I believe you are factually wrong. The 911 tape, by my review of it, shows Zimmerman complying with the statement from the 911 dispatcher to stop following Martin, and requesting to meet with the police when they arrive. George Zimmerman 911 Call To Stanford Police Department - YouTube


    If you are the aggressor, why are you calling 911, and then requesting to meet with the police?
    I might be wrong, but I think "factually" wrong implies that you have all "the facts". I'm pretty sure all of "the facts" are only known by a guy on trial and a dead kid...and that's it. The 911 tape SHOWS nothing but allows you assume he does not follow. This guy (on the other side of the coin) assumes otherwise due to the timeline of the calls: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ll?detail=hide

    Like I said before...I'm waiting to see how this plays out and what kind of information surfaces. And even then I may not feel like I know what happened...but good on ya for seeming to have made up your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1OldGI
    or that Treyvon had THC in his system (doesn't fit their narrative apparently.)
    You mean maybe Zimmerman stole his skittles and sent him into a munchie induced rage?

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    Why does everyone immediately think if Zimmerman didn't shoot, he would have been dead or damaged goods?

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    Does not look like a guy on death's door who fired to stave off certain death. I've looked worse than that after sparring...

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    I heard something interesting today. The ONLY wounds Travon had was the gunshot wound and to his knuckles. This doesn't look like he was trying to defend himself, only attack.

    The severity of Zimmerman's wounds means nothing. Zimmerman was knocked to the ground. His nose was broken. His head was bashed on the concrete. His back was injured. He was being physically attacked. NO ONE should be required to surrender to a beating. The law is clear. That's what stand your ground means. We are not sheep, we are men. It does not matter what your feelings are on deadly force. Travon should have known that when you attack someone your life is forfeit.

    Zimmerman had more than enough justification to use deadly force. In Texas he would be a free man. They should drop the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotalus View Post
    I heard something interesting today. The ONLY wounds Travon had was the gunshot wound and to his knuckles. This doesn't look like he was trying to defend himself, only attack.

    The severity of Zimmerman's wounds means nothing. Zimmerman was knocked to the ground. His nose was broken. His head was bashed on the concrete. His back was injured. He was being physically attacked. NO ONE should be required to surrender to a beating. The law is clear. That's what stand your ground means. We are not sheep, we are men. It does not matter what your feelings are on deadly force. Travon should have known that when you attack someone your life is forfeit.

    Zimmerman had more than enough justification to use deadly force. In Texas he would be a free man. They should drop the case.
    You should go tell them that you know exactly what happened and they should drop the case

    I don't think anyone should have to surrender to a beating either...that's why I punch back. It may make me more of a sheep than shooting someone, but I'm not dead or on trial...fair exchange in my opinion.
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