Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by jgkeegan

Happy to explain:

Guns kill people leaving widows, fatherless children, grieving parents and friends. I can arrange for you to talk with some of these if you like.

Feel free to PM me for more information.

I am amused by this exchange and will digress and unsubscribe after this statement.
Guns, ball peen hammers do not kill people. People do. Perhaps this thread should be about people who are killers for bad reasons. I feel we all could get on board with that in like mind. JMHO Tom

This whole conversation can be easily distilled.

Here in the U.S there is and has always been a fascination with firearms which goes back to our earliest history. Folks just love guns, they need them and want them for a variety of reasons and can find reasons to justify them. Many have huge collections of them. It doesn't matter how many people are victims to firearms that is the price you pay to have them and that's OK and as the number of firearms increases and the use of them increases it further justification to get more and bigger ones. Of course if it's your relative who falls victim to one your opinion of them may change or may not. Usually the ones who become anti-gun have a mission in life attitude so they are way more vocal then the ones who just accept it or feel even stronger about being pro gun. Folks in other countries have about the same ability to understand this as someone in a closed society with their life controlled and preordained has of understanding living in a free society.

Originally Posted by jgkeegan

You know, if I really wanted to get all those who are undecided on gun control on the side of those who want controls, I'd ask them to read this thread. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot ... no pun intended.

Why? For debating your "there are no traffic fatalities in countries with no cars" argument?

Edit: It's pretty obvious that there will be more firearm homicides in countries with more firearms, but in countries without firearms, the creative minds among the criminal element will find other ways to predate on law-abiding citizens and each other and might just have significantly higher murder rates, which would present you a more accurate picture. The gun control lobby purposely ignores the combination of the total homicide rate and the inequalities in the society because they would paint a completely different picture than the zealots crying "guns are evil, they walk out of safes on their own and kill babies, let's ban them" would like you to see.

Originally Posted by jgkeegan

Happy to explain:

Guns kill people leaving widows, fatherless children, grieving parents and friends. I can arrange for you to talk with some of these if you like.

Feel free to PM me for more information.

There are lot's of things that kill people leaving widows, fatherless children, etc., etc. I could arrange for you to talk with some of them if you like, but why would anyone like to talk with the grief stricken? In addition to your condescending attitude, you are also being sarcastic. Inappropriately I'd say.

James I do have to question your objective in this thread..

Since you live in a country that doesn't allow ANY civilian gun ownership, it seems that you have no dog in this fight...

Opinions vary but the LAW in the USA is quite clear in that we can and do own guns, ther are literally 1000's of gun laws on the books already... And as proved in every country that enforces them, and guns are outlawed, the old adage of "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is true.. the entire world proves it...

We and our Government has decided that if criminals can have guns, it is better that everyone can have guns, doesn't much matter whether you agree or disagree that is the Law of this land...

This discussion actually started inaccurate premise in the first place, about "Automatic" weapons, it needed to be defined farther as That isn't even an accurate discriptor... Full Auto weapons are already restricted, so it was a non-arguement.. Then you Anti's started down the path that Semi-auto's, and then all guns should be outlawed, which proves the Pro-gun argument of "If you give an inch they want a mile" and why we are so adamant about no new laws...

You have to understand that actual arguement to discuss it, and being that the "I don't like guns because they are bad", arguement that you quoted from Hirsch is basically all you have shown to back you stance, we really can't debate you.. You hate guns, we get it, you can't own them anyway, be happy ...

But telling us that we (Pro-gun) can't own them because you and Hirsch don't like them, and are scared of them (people fear what they don't understand), is just not a real discussion, it is your opinion, and I personally respect that, and don't mind that you don't own a gun nor can you own a gun... So please respect that I can and do own several...

I have investigated murders by a variety of objects and once where the weapon was, a straight razor. Another time I almost shot a person who had assaulted another with a straight razor and was holding it to her throat when the first officers arrived. The hammer on my revolver was more than halfway back with steady pressure on the trigger. He was being pinned to the hood of a car by 5 uniformed officers. The only reason I did not shoot was background and fear of hitting the other officers in a rolling wrestling match. All the while fueled on PCP, he waved the straight razor with four other blue suited hands on his arm. A booted fieldgoal kick to the balls and a c clamp ended that cluster.

So let’s replace the word “Guns” with “Straight Razor.” Now what do you think?

Originally Posted by honedright

And that was directed at me why?? And why the condescension?

You asked.

I cannot explain your behavior. Can you?

Originally Posted by jgkeegan

Happy to explain:

Guns kill people leaving widows, fatherless children, grieving parents and friends.

Clearly. I just saw two dozen of them walking by themselves, unaccompanied by humans... last night, looking for trouble. Just like dogs. You know, they were the black plastic-looking kind that are evil. Booshmasters, I think...

...I hear when ordinary CPAs and other upstanding folks pick them up, their minds are completely taken over and they turn into murderous zealots, just like in the video games and movies.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

James I do have to question your objective in this thread..

Since you live in a country that doesn't allow ANY civilian gun ownership, it seems that you have no dog in this fight...

Opinions vary but the LAW in the USA is quite clear in that we can and do own guns, there literally 1000's of gun laws on the books already... And as proved in every country that enforces them and guns are outlawed, the old adage of "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is true.. the entire world proves it...

We and our Government has decided that if criminals can have guns, it is better that everyone can have guns, doesn't much matter whether you agree or disagree that is the Law of this land...

This discussion actually started inaccurate premise in the first place, about "Automatic" weapons, it needed to be defined farther as That isn't even an accurate discriptor... Full Auto weapons are already restricted, so it was a non-arguement.. Then you Anti's started down the path that Semi-auto's, and then all guns should be outlawed, which proves the Pro-gun argument of "If you give an inch they want a mile" and why we are so adamant about no new laws...

You have to understand that actual arguement to discuss it, and being that the "I don't like guns because they are bad", arguement that you quoted from Hirsch is basically all you have shown to back you stance, we really can't debate you.. You hate guns, we get it, you can't own them anyway, be happy ...

But telling us that we can't own them because you and Hirsch don't like them, and are scared of them, is just not a real discussion it is your opinion, and I personally respect that, and don't mind that you don't own a gun nor can you own a gun... So please respect that I can and do own several...

I'll try to answer your question.

My objective was successfully achieved in my first post. I I responded to a question asking my opinion.

The question wasn't limited to those who live in the USA. You'll note that others not residing in the USA posted.

When I was asked to justify my opinion, it struck me as odd and I referenced an article to save myself the bother of trying since, as you must have seen, and the article reflected my views.

Of course you can't debate me.

Where exactly did I say you couldn't own guns? Are you confusing me with someone else? I quickly looked to see who might have said that with no success.

Whatever makes you think I don't respect gun owners? Take another look at what I said I disrespected. You'll see several examples.

Have I addressed your points?

--james

Originally Posted by jgkeegan

I detest those who defend murderous toys and mock people who has suffered as the result of those toys being readily available. That type of person is the last person who should be allowed anywhere near a weapon since they are fundamentally ignorant of the effect that weapon can have on the lives of so many.

I also disrespect people who disregard facts, regardless of their source.



--james

I guess I am misreading those statements then