Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Near 3000 were killed with just Box Cutters on 9/11, just pointing out the facts, the mind is the most dangerous weapon always has been...

G-man, I have to disagree. Box cutters didn't kill those people. That's like saying a batman costume killed the people in the movie theatre. They were each just a means to an end, not the end themselves.

In fact, that raises an interesting thought. If in fact a box cutter overpowered a plane full of people, what does that say about people's ability to act in a crisis? If a person is incapable of, or unwilling to, overpower someone with a box cutter, why would you think arming that person with a gun would make them any more likely to to be willing or able to act against someone with a gun? Is there something special about a gun that somehow makes a person more capable, or braver, or whatever?

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

G-man, I have to disagree. Box cutters didn't kill those people. That's like saying a batman costume killed the people in the movie theatre. They were each just a means to an end, not the end themselves.

In fact, that raises an interesting thought. If in fact a box cutter overpowered a plane full of people, what does that say about people's ability to act in a crisis? If a person is incapable of, or unwilling to, overpower someone with a box cutter, why would you think arming that person with a gun would make them any more likely to to be willing or able to act against someone with a gun? Is there something special about a gun that somehow makes a person more capable, or braver, or whatever?

James.

You missed his point. Crazy people will kill lots of people one way or another.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

G-man, I have to disagree. Box cutters didn't kill those people. That's like saying a batman costume killed the people in the movie theatre. They were each just a means to an end, not the end themselves.

In fact, that raises an interesting thought. If in fact a box cutter overpowered a plane full of people, what does that say about people's ability to act in a crisis? If a person is incapable of, or unwilling to, overpower someone with a box cutter, why would you think arming that person with a gun would make them any more likely to to be willing or able to act against someone with a gun? Is there something special about a gun that somehow makes a person more capable, or braver, or whatever?

James.

Yes. It's training, preparation and warrior mindset. If one is unwilling to train and properly prepare for a worst case scenario, then one should not be armed. Period.

Originally Posted by Groth

You missed his point. Crazy people will kill lots of people one way or another.

No, I understood his point and it is true, if you want to kill people there's usually a way to do it, as you say. It just seems that guns feature a lot in that "one way or another".

James.

Originally Posted by honedright

Yes. It's training, preparation and warrior mindset. If one is unwilling to train and properly prepare for a worst case scenario, then one should not be armed. Period.

I agree 100% - training is vital. So there is mandatory and thorough training for anyone and everyone who wants to own firearms in the US?

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I agree 100% - training is vital. So there is mandatory and thorough training for anyone who wants to own firearms in the US?

James.

No, there are no training requirements. All that is required for long guns is a (relatively) clean criminal record (no felonies or specific misdemeanors) and $$$.

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

No, there are no training requirements. All that is required for long guns is a (relatively) clean criminal record (no felonies or specific misdemeanors) and $$$.

Depends on where you live. In Massachusetts to get your FID for long guns you need a small training class. Either NRA basic safety class or a Hunter Education / Safety class of some sort. Usually a 4-8 hour super basic class.

Originally Posted by UKRob

This thread contains some pretty crass remarks from you but this is by far the worst. I really don't think your comments are justified so intend to report them to the moderators.

Well mate, you do whatever makes you feel good. The comment was meant in a joking light, but I understand that it may have just a little too much truth in it for your liking. Atrocities were performed by both sides in that stage of history, it is just unfortunate that history is written only by the victors, as there are a lot more atrocities committed by the English, that only come to light if you ever visit Ireland and seek them out. I know it may be a bitter pill, however, swallow it you must. However this is getting off the main focus of the topic.


Mick

Originally Posted by bharner

Depends on where you live. In Massachusetts to get your FID for long guns you need a small training class. Either NRA basic safety class or a Hunter Education / Safety class of some sort. Usually a 4-8 hour super basic class.

That holds true here in Australia too. Safety course, background check, give money and details of firearms desired to the police and you're on your way after the mandatory cooling off/licencing application period.
A licenced owner has less rigmarole to go through after that, but cooling off period applies each time you want a new firearm. Dunno why. If you wanted to use the thing unlawfully you've already got one (or more) at hand.

Mick

Originally Posted by MickR

That holds true here in Australia too. Safety course, background check, give money and details of firearms desired to the police and you're on your way after the mandatory cooling off/licencing application period.
A licenced owner has less rigmarole to go through after that, but cooling off period applies each time you want a new firearm. Dunno why. If you wanted to use the thing unlawfully you've already got one (or more) at hand.

Mick

I don't understand the waiting period, especially after the first gun purchase.
In Massachusetts it was $50 every 5 years for the card (that was 10 years ago)
Here in Virginia as long as you're over 18, have two forms of ID, breathing and can pass a background check you you're good to go for long guns.
"Assualt rifles" with pistol grips, detachable magazines and flash hiders require an additional ID.
Handguns are the same, you just have to be over 21.
Concealed carry is $50 every 5 years, apply at the county court so the Sheriff can sign off on it, extra background check and a safety class of some sort.