Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Well, all I can say to that is I hope that day never comes (again) for the US. Civil wars have a way of becoming messy, and I am not confident the "us" and "them" boundaries would be as clear cut now as they may have been 300 years ago.

And in terms of the QLD weapons blackmarket, let's just say that Queensland houses many of Australia's "salt of the earth" types. We also have a booming mobile meth lab industry, not to mention prostitution, gambling, alcohol-related street crime, and unreported domestic violence. I think it has to do with our lovely climate.

James.

Originally Posted by sheajohnw

Look at what the world was like with respect to crime before firearms were invented and Sam Colt made all men equal. There would be killings by other means with large strong men having the edge, women would be at a defensive disadvantage if court orders and the police were ineffective. My daughter lost a friend to a hammer wielded by that person's abusive boy friend. Persons having revolutionary intent in countries where private firearms are illegal still get firearms and cause significant casualties by other means such as suicide vests and roadside IEDs, just ask any veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan. Unarmed civilians flee in terror and too often die. There are no guarantees of safety whether civilians are armed or unarmed. When conflict occurs, the good guy winning is not guaranteed, but I would at least want the chance to defend myself if the authorities fail. I believe that having a chance to defend one’s life is one of those fundamental inalienable rights from the creator (rather than men) indicated by the US Declaration of Independence and noone has the right to insist that the law abiding public be rendered defenseless.

Folks have been around far longer than firearms and little guys have always found a way to equal the playingfield on the battlefield and off. Heck, look at David and Goliath. You do believe that don't you.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Well, all I can say to that is I hope that day never comes (again) for the US. Civil wars have a way of becoming messy, and I am not confident the "us" and "them" boundaries would be as clear cut now as they may have been 300 years ago.

And in terms of the QLD weapons blackmarket, let's just say that Queensland houses many of Australia's "salt of the earth" types. We also have a booming mobile meth lab industry, not to mention prostitution, gambling, alcohol-related street crime, and unreported domestic violence. I think it has to do with our lovely climate.

James.

Awesome! I'll be in Mildura in a few months. I won't have my pistola with me, but I'll club senseless any methed out alcoholic hookers who try and steal my yabbies from me.

Naw, edit that to bitch-slapp 'em. Streuth mate!

Originally Posted by HamburgO

SRH - If this what you were taught in MA training, you were taught wrong. Take it from me, a certified NRA and combatives instructor with 25 years of experience in the martial arts, mostly in Filipino edged weapon styles: At close quarters a blade is far more daunting to deal with, devastating and deadly than a handgun. If you want to experience that for yourself, seek out something like Escrima, Kali, AMOK! or FAST Defense in your area...

I think you should do what your heart tells you, and stay in the UK. It'll be better for everyone involved, especially you!

The postscript there is in the hands of a highly trained fighter.

The fact is if you encounter a knifefighter and you have a firearm holstered and you are within 20 feet or so and he charges you either you turn and run or you are dead. That has been studied for years. It's physically impossible to clear your weapon in time unless your attacker is disabled and can't run or you have some radical custom holster and are highly trained in it's use.

There is a famous LAPD training video which is standard fare for LEO training to convince guys how deadly a knife is in the right hands. They send these guys in to a warehouse and are told there is a bad guy in there armed with a knife. They have their sidearms. In every case the bad guy disarms and kills the officer even when these guys go in 2 or 3 times. What they didn't tell the officers is the bad guy is like the number 2 rated knifefighter in the world and is the guy who trains actors in the movies (I think he recently died). he was armed with a butterfly knife and in the video even though the officers have their guns out and on him and he is prone on the floor he moves so fast you almost can't see him move.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The postscript there is in the hands of a highly trained fighter.

The fact is if you encounter a knifefighter and you have a firearm holstered and you are within 20 feet or so and he charges you either you turn and run or you are dead. That has been studied for years. It's physically impossible to clear your weapon in time unless your attacker is disabled and can't run or you have some radical custom holster and are highly trained in it's use.

There is a famous LAPD training video which is standard fare for LEO training to convince guys how deadly a knife is in the right hands. They send these guys in to a warehouse and are told there is a bad guy in there armed with a knife. They have their sidearms. In every case the bad guy disarms and kills the officer even when these guys go in 2 or 3 times. What they didn't tell the officers is the bad guy is like the number 2 rated knifefighter in the world and is the guy who trains actors in the movies (I think he recently died). he was armed with a butterfly knife and in the video even though the officers have their guns out and on him and he is prone on the floor he moves so fast you almost can't see him move.

True. Even an attacker with fatal GSWs may have enough adrenaline, drugs, momentum, etc. to quickly close the distance and kill you with a knife.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The postscript there is in the hands of a highly trained fighter.

The fact is if you encounter a knifefighter and you have a firearm holstered and you are within 20 feet or so and he charges you either you turn and run or you are dead. That has been studied for years. It's physically impossible to clear your weapon in time unless your attacker is disabled and can't run or you have some radical custom holster and are highly trained in it's use.

There is a famous LAPD training video which is standard fare for LEO training to convince guys how deadly a knife is in the right hands. They send these guys in to a warehouse and are told there is a bad guy in there armed with a knife. They have their sidearms. In every case the bad guy disarms and kills the officer even when these guys go in 2 or 3 times. What they didn't tell the officers is the bad guy is like the number 2 rated knifefighter in the world and is the guy who trains actors in the movies (I think he recently died). he was armed with a butterfly knife and in the video even though the officers have their guns out and on him and he is prone on the floor he moves so fast you almost can't see him move.

I know that video, still have a copy of it. It's called "Surviving Edged Weapons", is an astoundingly good production for the time, and makes for excellent training material. There are some excerpts up on YouTube. The "bad guy" in the part you mention is played by Guro Dan Inosanto, who is now 76, still alive, well and teaching.

Originally Posted by bharner

Can find an ebook version for free on pretty much any device or Google books

A free pdf on it, here is the link.

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

If gun ownership were ever banned in the U.S., imagine what drive-by shootings by Native American gangs would look like -- dozens of arrows and tomahawks stuck in doors!

Nah, check this out.
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( link looks strange because it's a Russian link. It works OK.

Just proves that gun confiscation is a tin plated farce.

I LOVED the one that has HECHO IN SWITZERLAND on it!!

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

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Couple of the many places a martial artist can learn about disarment. I could insult you, like you did me, but I just present facts.

You have argued vehemently against the principles this country was founded upon and has lived with for over 200 years. SOME of us here believe in and love our constitution as much as you guys from the UK profess to love the Queen and her family.

You want to immigrate here against your better judgement it appears. Perhaps when you get here, you will acclimate and actually enjoy some of the freedoms we hold dear to our hearts that are so foreign and repulsive to yours.

IF I were to immigrate to the UK, the LAST thing I would do is start whining about what I think is wrong.

That being said, I would love to give you an opportunity to have some fun WITH FIREARMS. If you decide to stay in this den if inequity, try to make a road trip to Texas and give me a chance to show you some real Texas hospitality.

As for all your MA defense and disarmament stuff listed above? That is a great way to get killed in my opinion. I'd be willing to bet that even Steven Segall (who is/was probably one of the baddest mofo's in Akido on this side of the Pacific) would hesitate to take on a determined attacker that was armed.

Except for a short period in my life when I was in the employ of Uncle Sam, MY firearms have not been used offensively nor killed anyone. The use of them has allowed me the opportunity to be here today.

Originally Posted by Wullie

Except for a short period in my life when I was in the employ of Uncle Sam, MY firearms have not been used offensively nor killed anyone. The use of them has allowed me the opportunity to be here today.

Well, Wullie, I thank you for your service, and doing what you had to do. If a sailor is on duty and lets one go, plane, missile. whatever, He never really knows. But yet, He does. I am also happy that you have not had to use deadly force in civilian life.
Doing so is life-changing. If it happens, the enemy is always there. A strange and sad experience, yet I also am glad to be here today.
It's Our Right, plain and simple. Always under threat, always challenged. Still Our Right.