Thread: USA Gun Laws Poll

I'm not sure how to vote on this. I believe that all current gun laws should be scrapped, getting rid of all the knee jerk reaction laws, and start over, making laws that make sense and can be enforceable. I also feel that gun control should not be federal law but left up to the individual states.

I feel that I need to explain my vote, so I offer my own 2 cents on the issue.

There are already MANY gun laws in the US that are not enforced properly. I do not understand the point in making more laws if you don't enforce the ones already existing. That's just writing things down rather than doing anything, so that voters believe you are acting.

Never thought I would agree with Ice T the "OG", but...........


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Originally Posted by Pithor

I'd say every gun requires an application, and every application requires a serious psychiatric evaluation, plus training.

And just on a side note, the argument against illegalizing guns, "If someone really wants a gun, they'll get it anyway", is BS. It's pretty much identical too: "If someone really wants cocaine, they'll get it anyway," so why not legalize that, with registration?

Where do I begin?

1) Psychiatric evaluation for each gun? Really? Do you know how many guns some collectors have? Do you know what sort of a waste of tax dollars that would involve? Or, what if I go hunting and my knucklehead buddy packs my rifle badly and it gets damaged in transport.. Right now, I have the option of going to the nearby gun shop and picking up a replacement. Imagine having to schedule a psychiatric evaluation in a rural area where there are no psychiatrists, after I have already scheduled a vacation. In Canada, we have a licensing system where you take a safety course (which involves dealing with personal crises and mental issues, too), are interviewed by the police, your references (2 of good moral character) get interviewed and your criminal and mental health history get evaluated. That's more than enough as far as I am concerned. I don't need to go through that jazz for each and every gun purchase.

2) If a person wants a gun or a mortar or explosives, they can just go to Wikipedia and click on the download link to a terrorist/fascist guerrilla training manual published by the US government, that is in public domain. It tells you all about making explosives, controls, mortars, propellant, primer and firearms (I could even legally make a shotty based on their recipe, but it's time intensive and I have plenty of off-the-shelf reasonably priced alternatives), with commonly available materials. Groups like the Taliban and MS13 are very grateful for it.

3) There are no legitimate uses for cocaine without a doctor's prescription. I don't need a prescription to go hunting, to put holes in paper at the range, collect items of historical interest or to defend my family.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The Sullivan Law in NYC and the federal laws regulating ownership of fully automatic weapons demonstrate the "effectiveness" of gun laws. The gun control act of 1964 and the Brady bill went plenty far enough. What they need to do is enforce what they have instead of inventing new restrictions on the public while criminals ignore whatever new laws the government invents along with the existing ones.

Here we go again. That argument has always been a bunch of nonsense. Gun laws are worthless when you can walk a few blocks out of a jurisdiction and buy all the guns you want and just bring them back.

In North Jersey an acquaintance of mine stabbed a guy 15 times in an argument over a parking space. Very tough gun laws in NJ. People looked at me funny when I would comment that if they lived in No Jersey they would know that it should have been adjudicated justifiable homicide.

Gun laws never make me feel safer. Mainly because criminals do not normally care about laws. And let's say they just remove guns from the market and destroy all the ones we already have... People will just use knives, or large rocks.

We can't unmake the technology of the firearm, so people would just stay at home and make home made customs to do their dirty work if they really wanted one. If someone really wants something, laws will not stop them. All gun laws do, IMHO, is make it harder for honest people to do the things they want to do.

Originally Posted by JackofDiamonds

Gun laws never make me feel safer. Mainly because criminals do not normally care about laws. And let's say they just remove guns from the market and destroy all the ones we already have... People will just use knives, or large rocks.

We can't unmake the technology of the firearm, so people would just stay at home and make home made customs to do their dirty work if they really wanted one. If someone really wants something, laws will not stop them. All gun laws do, IMHO, is make it harder for honest people to do the things they want to do.

I've read that in prisons they will sharpen the handle of a toothbrush to make a "shank." Necessity is the mother of invention. Cain and Abel, the first example of brotherly love, was also an example of murder with a rock IIRC.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Cain and Abel, the first example of brotherly love, was also an example of murder with a rock IIRC.

Damn Jimmy you are freaking old Muhahahaha


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More restrictive gun laws? Intended to restrict who?