Thread: USA Gun Laws Poll

Originally Posted by honedright

Or, as I am fond of saying, "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."

And that's why I advocate everyone get their carry licence weather they chose to carry or not! Waiting for the paperwork as you are being stocked bites chunks LOL.

Y'know IIRC Charles Whitman , at the tower in Dallas university, was the first of this relatively recent phenomenon of crazies going berserk and shooting multiples of innocent bystanders. Since that early sixties episode, tragic as they are to the victims and their families, I don't think there have been a dozen such occurrences. I might be in error on that. What I am getting at is that something like 99% of the people who are gun owners in the USA are legal and didn't perjure themselves on the ATF yellow sheet. So for the very few who commit these atrocities, and for the more numerous felons who would resort to a weapon and don't care about ANY laws, law abiding citizens should disarm themselves ? Rely on LEOs to protect them ?

Originally Posted by earcutter

I was talking to my uncle from Holland not that long ago. He asked how I was enjoying living in "The Land of The Gun?" Being I am a gun nut, and think that guns in America are about as identifiable to the nation as apple pie and baseball, I got into how the country was founded and how people here really believe that they have the right to own guns in order to ensure their defense from a tyrannical government bla, bla, bla.

He listened politely and when I was done (and feeling rather good about myself if I can say so myself), he simply stated, "yeah we felt the same way here in Holland, but when the Nazi's came in tanks, we put our guns down." I was dumbfounded! He then went on and recited that after hurricane Katrina, they just took everyone's guns anyway...

Well he's right! One tank will take an entire state of guys only armed with guns. One jet or chopper - two.

That's all to say restriction isn't going to help unless we understand what exactly we are restricting! Restricting for the sake of restriction or as knee jerk reactions after a shooting doesn't solve a thing if you ask me. But I am with the Fin Pithor thinking that there should be some kind of restrictions on gun ownership... in KS anyway.

Seriously, a paranoid stereophonic who's on enough drugs to put down a horse can walk into gun store here and get whatever he/she wishes within ten minutes just so long as that person doesn't have any criminal record. If that person walked into a Walmart here to get said weapon - they could get their drugs, a six-pack, and some snacks on the way out too LOL.

You should kindly and politely remind him of the Warsaw Uprising. I have the movie Uprising and the book "Black Angels" about the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto. I'd say they did a fine "bang up" job on the nazis with a few small arms and the will to survive.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Y'know IIRC Charles Whitman , at the tower in Dallas university, was the first of this relatively recent phenomenon of crazies going berserk and shooting multiples of innocent bystanders. Since that early sixties episode, tragic as they are to the victims and their families, I don't think there have been a dozen such occurrences. I might be in error on that. What I am getting at is that something like 99% of the people who are gun owners in the USA are legal and didn't perjure themselves on the ATF yellow sheet. So for the very few who commit these atrocities, and for the more numerous felons who would resort to a weapon and don't care about ANY laws, law abiding citizens should disarm themselves ? Rely on LEOs to protect them ?

Interesting you bring up the tower in Dallas University... did you know that there was civilians providing fire to keep him from popping his head out and shooting any more folk! Yup - folk pulled out their rifles from their trunks and did what they had to do. God Bless Texas!!

Of course in today's America there are more LEO's around than... Well there's a lot more cops today.

Originally Posted by EMC45

You should kindly and politely remind him of the Warsaw Uprising. I have the movie Uprising and the book "Black Angels" about the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto. I'd say they did a fine "bang up" job on the nazis with a few small arms and the will to survive.

Fine example but were the American government in control of it's military... no bunch of rag-tag gun toting group of guys and gals are going to give them any kind of issue with guns alone... at all!!

Better to have home made bombs in that situation than a gun! Unless you can get close enough to shoot the leader and lol... that's not going o happen.

Originally Posted by earcutter

Interesting you bring up the tower in Dallas University... did you know that there was civilians providing fire to keep him from popping his head out and shooting any more folk! Yup - folk pulled out their rifles from their trunks and did what they had to do. God Bless Texas!!

Of course in today's America there are more LEO's around than... Well there's a lot more cops today.

I didn't know that about the civilians returning fire. As for more LEOs , as bharner posted earlier .... when seconds count the police are only minutes away. It is also interesting that we, the USA, have a far greater prison population than any country in the world has or has ever had. I read that on the internet so it must be true.

Unconventional protracted warfare may eventually win a war. This has been demonstrated by third world countries against the US and other western military powers. However, I do not know how effective it would be against organizations such as the nazis who were willing to march millions of unresisting civilians into their death factories.

Originally Posted by earcutter

I was talking to my uncle from Holland not that long ago. He asked how I was enjoying living in "The Land of The Gun?" Being I am a gun nut, and think that guns in America are about as identifiable to the nation as apple pie and baseball, I got into how the country was founded and how people here really believe that they have the right to own guns in order to ensure their defense from a tyrannical government bla, bla, bla.

He listened politely and when I was done (and feeling rather good about myself if I can say so myself), he simply stated, "yeah we felt the same way here in Holland, but when the Nazi's came in tanks, we put our guns down." I was dumbfounded! He then went on and recited that after hurricane Katrina, they just took everyone's guns anyway...

Well he's right! One tank will take an entire state of guys only armed with guns. One jet or chopper - two.

That's all to say restriction isn't going to help unless we understand what exactly we are restricting! Restricting for the sake of restriction or as knee jerk reactions after a shooting doesn't solve a thing if you ask me. But I am with the Fin Pithor thinking that there should be some kind of restrictions on gun ownership... in KS anyway.

Seriously, a paranoid stereophonic who's on enough drugs to put down a horse can walk into gun store here and get whatever he/she wishes within ten minutes just so long as that person doesn't have any criminal record. If that person walked into a Walmart here to get said weapon - they could get their drugs, a six-pack, and some snacks on the way out too LOL.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I didn't know that about the civilians returning fire. As for more LEOs , as bharner posted earlier .... when seconds count the police are only minutes away. It is also interesting that we, the USA, have a far greater prison population than any country in the world has or has ever had. I read that on the internet so it must be true.

It is true Jimmy. We.. America has the highest incarceration rate of any civilized nation! Being I study economics, I think I could answer why one day, but that's a long type LOL.

Originally Posted by sheajohnw

Unconventional protracted warfare may eventually win a war. This has been demonstrated by third world countries against the US and other western military powers. However, I do not know how effective it would be against organizations such as the nazis who were willing to march millions of unresisting civilians into their death factories.

Dude I agree in part - the reason why we haven't won some wars against some rag-tag nations (and rag-tag meaning lessor militarily) is because as everyone knows... America has "lost" because of politics! Even short of Nukes we just don't have the heart to fight wars of attrition anymore.

If we did like some, and kill everyone and let god sort them out...

Wow - I kind of went on a rant there lol. I guess what i am trying to convey is the the American Government which represents the people, has nothing to fear from "its people" owning guns... of any type.

Being that they are supposed to provide a sense of security for the public, I can see why the American government would be concerned about the wrong people owning firearms. It's a valid concern!

But in a culture of all or nothing... I am not sure rational decisions can be made is all. It is what it is. You know?