Thread: USA Gun Laws Poll

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I've read that in prisons they will sharpen the handle of a toothbrush to make a "shank." Necessity is the mother of invention. Cain and Abel, the first example of brotherly love, was also an example of murder with a rock IIRC.

The toothbrush shiv doesn't beat the newspaper crossbow. I think they tested that one out on mythbusters... Either way, when you have nothing but time to build a weapon, crazy stuff can come out of the results.

Iduno about clubbing my brother to death with a rock, but I did tape him in a cardboard box and spray JOOP! inside ...

I hadn't heard of the newspaper crossbow. Brought to mind Joe Valachi. He was a mafia 'soldier' who was marked for death , in prison, by Don VIto Genovese. The Don was also an inmate and gave him the 'kiss of death.' Joe became a bit paranoid, understandably so. He thought a guy who appeared to be following him was out to fulfill the contract so he laid for him with a length of pipe and beat him to death. Turned out he got the wrong guy. This lead to him being the first mafioso to break the code of omerta (silence) hence the 'Valachi Papers' and a role for Charles Bronson.

I was talking to my uncle from Holland not that long ago. He asked how I was enjoying living in "The Land of The Gun?" Being I am a gun nut, and think that guns in America are about as identifiable to the nation as apple pie and baseball, I got into how the country was founded and how people here really believe that they have the right to own guns in order to ensure their defense from a tyrannical government bla, bla, bla.

He listened politely and when I was done (and feeling rather good about myself if I can say so myself), he simply stated, "yeah we felt the same way here in Holland, but when the Nazi's came in tanks, we put our guns down." I was dumbfounded! He then went on and recited that after hurricane Katrina, they just took everyone's guns anyway...

Well he's right! One tank will take an entire state of guys only armed with guns. One jet or chopper - two.

That's all to say restriction isn't going to help unless we understand what exactly we are restricting! Restricting for the sake of restriction or as knee jerk reactions after a shooting doesn't solve a thing if you ask me. But I am with the Fin Pithor thinking that there should be some kind of restrictions on gun ownership... in KS anyway.

Seriously, a paranoid stereophonic who's on enough drugs to put down a horse can walk into gun store here and get whatever he/she wishes within ten minutes just so long as that person doesn't have any criminal record. If that person walked into a Walmart here to get said weapon - they could get their drugs, a six-pack, and some snacks on the way out too LOL.

The French resistance in WWII certainly gave the nazis some problems with their guns. It is not feasible that the citizenry in the USA could overthrow a tyrannical government. It is feasible that individuals can protect themselves and their neighbors from predatory individuals. Happens every day. I always like the parachute/gun analogy .... you may never need it, but if you ever need it and you don't have it ..... chances are you'll never need it again.

Or, as I am fond of saying, "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."

Originally Posted by honedright

Or, as I am fond of saying, "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."

And that's why I advocate everyone get their carry licence weather they chose to carry or not! Waiting for the paperwork as you are being stocked bites chunks LOL.

Originally Posted by EMC45

Never thought I would agree with Ice T the "OG", but...........

The guy who wrote the song "COP KILLER".....no thanks and I'll keep the rest of my thoughts about him to myself.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Here we go again. That argument has always been a bunch of nonsense. Gun laws are worthless when you can walk a few blocks out of a jurisdiction and buy all the guns you want and just bring them back.

This is why they need to be the same....everywhere....whatever they may be. yea...I know....States Rights.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

In North Jersey an acquaintance of mine stabbed a guy 15 times in an argument over a parking space. Very tough gun laws in NJ. People looked at me funny when I would comment that if they lived in No Jersey they would know that it should have been adjudicated justifiable homicide.

They only charge with a homicide here when you stab 16 times. he was 1 short.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The French resistance in WWII certainly gave the nazis some problems with their guns. It is not feasible that the citizenry in the USA could overthrow a tyrannical government. It is feasible that individuals can protect themselves and their neighbors from predatory individuals. Happens every day. I always like the parachute/gun analogy .... you may never need it, but if you ever need it and you don't have it ..... chances are you'll never need it again.

The French or Warsaw resistance also produced more innocent (French/Polish) victims than German. Men/women/children who had nothing to do with the resistance. The resistance couldn't overcome German army either. It was Russian and allied forces that did the job.

Having a gun in case you need to overthrow a tyrannical government. That is a fairy tale, imho. You folks are democracy and your leaders are elected by vote. "Overthrowing a tyrannical government" means civil war, people against people.

Now you had yours and so do we. Ours was that much later (1918) that i was lucky (?) to listen to the stories from the old family members who had fought on both sides and in the German army at Tanneberg and Masurian lakes. Listen to the stories about family sisters and brothers, mothers and fathers who got kia/mia or had been executed or starved to death in a prison camps. It was Russian and red forces against white guards/jaegers and German army/Swedish volunteers. The battle of Tampere was and is the biggest and bloodiest battle in Scandinavia ever. In that war the relative body count exceeds easily the one in Yugoslavia.

As far as i remember, no person ever were proud or happy for "fighting against tyrannical government" or against rebels. Not even those who were "winners" who returned the peace and stability. They had blood in their hands and they knew it. We Finns are good in killing when we finally decide to take the last step. Those times were so painful that even today people cannot agree on what name to give to that war. Some call it civil war, some call it liberation war, some call it brother against brother and some call it time of slaughter. I'm not interested to be ready or prepared for the times like that.

Of course this has nothing to do with US gun laws. Just like old dude yelling at clouds

Originally Posted by Sailor

Having a gun in case you need to overthrow a tyrannical government. That is a fairy tale, imho. You folks are democracy and your leaders are elected by vote. "Overthrowing a tyrannical government" means civil war, people against people.

I agree with you Sailor. It probably is a fairy tale. In our civil war there were more casualties than in all of the wars in US history up to two thirds of our participation in the Viet Nam war. Certainly brother against brother in many cases. God willing that no country should have to go through something like that again. Still want to hang on to my firearms though. Dangerous place we live in here. Personal protection is better than none. IMHO.

Originally Posted by earcutter

I was talking to my uncle from Holland not that long ago. He asked how I was enjoying living in "The Land of The Gun?" Being I am a gun nut, and think that guns in America are about as identifiable to the nation as apple pie and baseball, I got into how the country was founded and how people here really believe that they have the right to own guns in order to ensure their defense from a tyrannical government bla, bla, bla.

He listened politely and when I was done (and feeling rather good about myself if I can say so myself), he simply stated, "yeah we felt the same way here in Holland, but when the Nazi's came in tanks, we put our guns down." I was dumbfounded! He then went on and recited that after hurricane Katrina, they just took everyone's guns anyway...

Well he's right! One tank will take an entire state of guys only armed with guns. One jet or chopper - two.

That's all to say restriction isn't going to help unless we understand what exactly we are restricting! Restricting for the sake of restriction or as knee jerk reactions after a shooting doesn't solve a thing if you ask me. But I am with the Fin Pithor thinking that there should be some kind of restrictions on gun ownership... in KS anyway.

Seriously, a paranoid stereophonic who's on enough drugs to put down a horse can walk into gun store here and get whatever he/she wishes within ten minutes just so long as that person doesn't have any criminal record. If that person walked into a Walmart here to get said weapon - they could get their drugs, a six-pack, and some snacks on the way out too LOL.

You should kindly and politely remind him of the Warsaw Uprising. I have the movie Uprising and the book "Black Angels" about the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto. I'd say they did a fine "bang up" job on the nazis with a few small arms and the will to survive.