Thread: This guy was definitely born in the wrong century

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

One of the reasons Republicans are always touting states rights and weak Govt at the Federal Level is because the folks who pay their way can easily control a State Legislature. Just look at states where 1 or 2 industries are the main employers and you'll see what happens. Look at areas where states regulate what goes on and with few exceptions it's like a kid at a candy store. Industries know at the Federal Level it's more difficult and expensive to get their way while at the State level it's cheap and easy. Off course no one will admit this. They find other excuses. Just look at the states with the super fund sites and mining states as quick examples.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

And this does not happen at the Federal level? Like bailouts for the banks, automakers and "green companies that go under before even going online? Corporations becoming persons? This happened at the Federal level with a Democrat as President with a super majority in both houses. Your argument fails.

I dont blame anyone one for an honest bashing of the Republican party or the dolts the political machine put before us, but you need to fix the lipstick on your pig before doing so, and vice versa.

BTW How about my favorite monopoly, the FED, making everyones life worth a little less everyday, no matter who is in office.

With respect you your arguments - both of which I feel are right, I would pose this question:

Do you want a stronger Federal Government?

Most affluent country's do have a stronger Fed. That's not to say it's right - just that they do.

The way I see it is, I am glad for all the bail out's for company's that were "too big to fail." Sure we could let the strong get stronger, and the weak vanish but in the case of this "down-turn," the weak would have been replaced by foreign company's... and because the weak ones were ours - I'll just re-state that I am glad for the bail outs! That said, I have a real problem with the Fed not regulating too big to fail company's enough in order to see that this kind of B.S. doesn't happen! Fed regulation is a must!!

Back in the day, strong States made America an economic powerhouse! All that competing inside our boarders made America very competitive. But now the problem is we are competing against nations that have the benefit of government uh.... intensives? China's industry's are all federally funded, and my gosh they rob the west of all their technology under the watchful eye of their government!!

I don't know what the answer is (well I have some ideas), but dang... we need to get behind our Fed more in these days of global competition me thinks... donkey or elephant!

I'm not sure that in this day of big political money PAC 's that we have State Governments. With National and International Money determining State Elections I don't think we can be sure who or what is directing this Country's actions or policies.
I do know that if the federal govt bails out on Social and Educational Programs for the ""47%""; we won't be any better that any"3rd" World Nation that We now Fund!

Originally Posted by earcutter

With respect you your arguments - both of which I feel are right, I would pose this question:

Do you want a stronger Federal Government?

Most affluent country's do have a stronger Fed. That's not to say it's right - just that they do.

The way I see it is, I am glad for all the bail out's for company's that were "too big to fail." Sure we could let the strong get stronger, and the weak vanish but in the case of this "down-turn," the weak would have been replaced by foreign company's... and because the weak ones were ours - I'll just re-state that I am glad for the bail outs! That said, I have a real problem with the Fed not regulating too big to fail company's enough in order to see that this kind of B.S. doesn't happen! Fed regulation is a must!!

Back in the day, strong States made America an economic powerhouse! All that competing inside our boarders made America very competitive. But now the problem is we are competing against nations that have the benefit of government uh.... intensives? China's industry's are all federally funded, and my gosh they rob the west of all their technology under the watchful eye of their government!!

I don't know what the answer is (well I have some ideas), but dang... we need to get behind our Fed more in these days of global competition me thinks... donkey or elephant!

You know, during the great depression when Hoover was President (by the way he was a business executive) he and his advisers felt it was just another glitch in our capitalistic economic system and it would right itself. It was only when it was too late he had a change of heart. But you see, Mr Rockefeller and his buddies weren't the ones selling apples on the street or living on the street with their families. It's the working man who pay the price in the end while others profit.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You know, during the great depression when Hoover was President (by the way he was a business executive) he and his advisers felt it was just another glitch in our capitalistic economic system and it would right itself. It was only when it was too late he had a change of heart. But you see, Mr Rockefeller and his buddies weren't the ones selling apples on the street or living on the street with their families. It's the working man who pay the price in the end while others profit.

LOL - and it always will be at the expense of the working man . Always...

Yeah Hoover didn't buy into Keynes at first did he? But boy did he make up for it later in his term... and that's when (Well North American's at least) we all became Keynesian . The "bail out" implemented by Bush is the first "real" test of his brand as a preemptive strike. Not sure it's working all that well, but one thing is for sure - it is better than the 30's .

Originally Posted by earcutter

With respect you your arguments - both of which I feel are right, I would pose this question:

Do you want a stronger Federal Government?

Most affluent country's do have a stronger Fed. That's not to say it's right - just that they do.

The way I see it is, I am glad for all the bail out's for company's that were "too big to fail." Sure we could let the strong get stronger, and the weak vanish but in the case of this "down-turn," the weak would have been replaced by foreign company's... and because the weak ones were ours - I'll just re-state that I am glad for the bail outs! That said, I have a real problem with the Fed not regulating too big to fail company's enough in order to see that this kind of B.S. doesn't happen! Fed regulation is a must!!

Back in the day, strong States made America an economic powerhouse! All that competing inside our boarders made America very competitive. But now the problem is we are competing against nations that have the benefit of government uh.... intensives? China's industry's are all federally funded, and my gosh they rob the west of all their technology under the watchful eye of their government!!

I don't know what the answer is (well I have some ideas), but dang... we need to get behind our Fed more in these days of global competition me thinks... donkey or elephant!

The central banks of Europe are killing those countries as well.

If Federal regulation is a must, then they need to get to it! Plenty of laws on the books, now if they would just enforce them. But then again, if regulations were enforced your congressmen would no longer get the fat envelope that slides under the door.

As far as China and other BRIC countries go, they were simply paper tigers/dragons until Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich shoved the Nafta and Gatt agreements down our throats to let industry outsource our manufacturing empire, once this was accomplished the big companies went overseas to places like China where all people are slaves, do you think they make good wages, the bureaucrats do, both Russia and China are creating billionaires like nobodies business, but the schmuck on the floor doing the work everyday of the week anywhere from 10-14 hour days. China's industries federally funded, you bet, our federal govt gave incentives to companies moving overseas. Chinas military owns over 50% of every manufacturing plant over there. This made Bill Clinton the best Republican president ever, he has broke the labor unions, no laborers, no unions. We need jobs in this country, manufacturing jobs, if you do not take a raw material and turn it into finished product you do not "create" wealth. Neither party gives a crap about the working man or woman in this country. It is time Americans figured this out.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You know, during the great depression when Hoover was President (by the way he was a business executive) he and his advisers felt it was just another glitch in our capitalistic economic system and it would right itself. It was only when it was too late he had a change of heart. But you see, Mr Rockefeller and his buddies weren't the ones selling apples on the street or living on the street with their families. It's the working man who pay the price in the end while others profit.

Hoover was president until '32, the first 3 yrs of the depression, FDR was president for 9 yrs of the depression, if it werent for the Japanese attack at Pearl we would still be in FDRs depression. FDR came from a banking family. Just like GHW Bush and Bush Jr.

Here is some interesting facts:

- In the last 13 years - America's GDP hasn't gone down... but I think many Americans would say it's been a hard ten years. Where is that money going?

- In the last ten years more people in the world have been lifted from the constraints of poverty than in any time in the history of man.

- As already mentioned - America has pushed, and has continued to push the global free-trade agenda.

Now who do you think benefits from the rest of the world gaining a large middle class at the expense of America's middle class? Why do you think America has been at the forefront of the free-trade agenda? And finally... with so many American's out of work in the last ten years... why the frig is the GDP not dropping?

Well I tell you - I am no commie - not in the least, but if you don't think those rag-tag fools who occupied Wall Street had a point, so be it! The fact is, in my opinion anyway, they have it half right! A very small minority controls what goes on... that's why it kills me when folks complain when the President talks about wage disparity as though it's not a problem... not a problem? Oh really LOL!

Dang near all of us are economic slaves lol ... sigh.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Hoover was president until '32, the first 3 yrs of the depression, FDR was president for 9 yrs of the depression, if it werent for the Japanese attack at Pearl we would still be in FDRs depression. FDR came from a banking family. Just like GHW Bush and Bush Jr.

Oops lol! Thanks for that - that's what happens when a Cunuck talks American politics lol.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

If Federal regulation is a must, then they need to get to it! Plenty of laws on the books, now if they would just enforce them. But then again, if regulations were enforced your congressmen would no longer get the fat envelope that slides under the door.

Right!! But you see - then government would get larger...

Not necessarily, maybe some one just needs to get off of their ass.

When they enact these laws they know/decide how many enforcement agents they need.


Food for thought. What is the difference between Capitalism and Communism? Nothing they both rely on someone elses labor to succeed.