Thread: Assault weopen carnage agian?

Originally Posted by Bruno

Did he tell you personally which rights you have?

My opinion is no-one is born with rights. Having 'rights' in quite a new concept...

Originally Posted by Bruno

Did he tell you personally which rights you have?

Yes, in the Divinely-inspired U.S. Declaration of Independence, where it states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness..."

The 2nd Amendment to our Constitution is what follows, in that if one has a right to Life, endowed by the Creator, then the Right and inclination to defend one's life comes from the same source. Our courts have upheld this notion.

There are plenty of other countries where this is not the case, so there are plenty of choices for those who would rather be subjects instead of carrying the responsibility, duty, equality and freedoms associated with true Citizenship. Even here, a person has to TAKE and secure these things to themselves, because the encroachment of government oppression is ever present. It is the natural tendency of ALL governments to overreach and oppress, and that's why the Founders of this country wrote these protections into our system.

People in the USA have guns to protect themselves against their government? Is that it? Just ignore me, I'm being silly...

Furcifer,
Sorry I took this out from your context but you are kidding me? You really stand behind statement "socialist thinking and vice-versa". Well in this case all of European and öther countries "are bunch of socialist idiots. Thank you for wake up call. Sorry I have enough. My grandmother live in house which is older that USA. If I tell you that socialism is perfectly implemented in USA, you will probably do not believe me... And moderator, yes please you can ban me or remove this post but I will not agree with Furcifer statement.

It is time to cool down. Time to hone 20 razors.

Originally Posted by Furcifer

These other countries where the laws reflect the socialist thinking and vice-versa are not a good model for the U.S., but the encroachment of this sort of thinking has served to split our political landscape in half, with a divisiveness like never before.
No, PEOPLE and PARENTS are the problem, and teachers are on the front lines of dealing with that part of it.
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Originally Posted by proximus26

Who said this person was ill minded? Media? I guess they will tell what ever fit best for what ever side they represent and sheep will have to agree without thinking twice...

I guess that where I don't think like other's... ANYONE that would do something as such, would have to be ILL MINDED... Wouldn't you think? Or I guess that is the actions of a SOUND Minded Person...

Originally Posted by proximus26

Well if I apply your logic this guy use his rights 26 times. Since 20 was not enough he keep going... I guess he is also part of your statement. Correct? He is not different from anyone else who born with right....

You have no inherent right to just kill someone in cold blood but thanks for playing along.

Originally Posted by scap99

We are all born with the right to defend ourselves.
No matter the tool of the day.

I think I said that too...

I find it quite humorus that you guys just can't seem to understand Our American rights,, just like I explained to Sailor I doubt you ever will or even can comprehend how ingrained our Rights our to us..
To us it is an alien concept that you even question it...

We have the Right to defend ourselves, in this country we have the the right to do so with a gun. as long as we retain our rights...
Until the Bill of Rights is overturned that is the way it is, trying to overturn that right or any other could very well split this country into pieces... or worse

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Quick Question. You have the right to bear arms but is it a right to have the ammo?
Ill stir the pot alittle.

I make my own.

Originally Posted by BobH

I think the point Sailor is/was trying to make is that no matter where you happen to live the question that should be foremost is why people they can do these kinds of despicable acts. That has nothing to do with the method of killing. I also think Sailor knows the difference between a right and a privilege by choosing to separate them with an "or" as in innocent or guilty. That makes them two entirely different things.

Not much to understand about Americans right to have guns, it is pretty plain. It is also pretty plain that you have to get past the tunnel vision of concentrating on guns as an issue and get to the root causes of the abuse of that right. We still have trouble with that concept and the the ownership of guns here is a privilege. I would say it being a right or privilege has little bearing on whether people will abuse it.

Bob

Bob, does the society lose the privilege at some time if it's abused? I know that's collective punishment, a bit like taking the TV away from the entire family because one kid is watching too much (poor analogy I know) but where is that line which can be crossed for 'someone' to say "Right, that's it, you can't be trusted any more, give me the guns". I know that's a rather paternal idea, but I'm sort of playing with the idea that I'm the wise old emperor overlord chief type guy. I think if I were such an entity I would have got a bit stern with my stupid citizens by now... :-)