Thread: Assault weopen carnage agian?

Originally Posted by Sailor

Read it again and again. To me it's not a problem with man made laws or man made constitution. All the same.
In the perfect world 0% or 100% of people owned a gun.

But we do not live in a perfect society. I'm only interest that what is it the world today, not only in US but the EU as well, when some people find a solution in taking a gun and start shooting innocent people.

I guess we should start by trying to find an answer to that. What makes using a violence as the 1st solution as an acceptable way to behave? Be it good guy or bad guy.

As I said you cannot ever relate... you cannot ever see an American point of view it is just too foriegn to you...

Solving the "Issue" cannot begin or end with taking my "Rights" because of another's actions, if you don't understand and accept that as a fact, nothing you say can ever be meaningful to an American I tried to explain this during the last discussion but you never understood then either

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Or he's just a crazy bastard and should have been locked up in the looniebin.

Too true. But here's what I wonder, if the coroner does an autopsy on the shooter, will the findings of the exam list the doctor prescibed mind-altering medications he was most likely on? I only mention this as alot of us have said incidences like this never occurred while we were going to school, how you could have your rifle in your car or truck in the school parking lot, and I even remember being allowed to carry my swiss army knife to school. But those were different times and we were not the overly medicated society we are now.

If you have a prescibed antidepressant, it comes with information regarding the potential to have suicidal thoughts, that doesn't sound like any medication I would take. I have a friend who was on antidepressants for awhile and he said while under the influence of it, he felt like a zombie and quickly stop taking the medication. It's estimated 1 in 10 Americans take antidepressants. That's a scary thought.

Astounding increase in antidepressant use by Americans - Harvard Health Publications

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Solving the "Issue" cannot begin or end with taking my "Rights" if you don't understand and accept that as a fact, nothing you say can ever be meaningful to an American

Probably i can't and i'm truly sorry for that.
Honestly i think you should start openly think on how to stop these things in the future.
Not your rights or privileges.

Originally Posted by Sailor

Not your rights or privileges.

See how you linked those two words together ??? That is our essential difference, we as Americans do not do that... We know the difference

Originally Posted by Jimbo

How about since Columbine? What was done then?

James.

Well in the US of A, there is Active Shooter Training... I guess "we" let them shoot first and we'll see if we have time to shoot back... Clean up the mess and put the S*$T Bags in jail for life...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Try reading it again, you have missed the point

Also what is most foriegn to you is our "Right" to own a weapon, I doubt many Non-Americans can understand that... Nor can I explain it to you, it is something that you have to have been born with, I was born with the "Right" to own a gun, period no man can deny me that Right, only I can cause/allow it to be lost...

Our country was founded by these words,,,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

I think that is a very valid point and one that isn't stressed enough. The mentality is completely different than any other country I have ever lived in, or traveled to.

After a mere five and a half years of living here I profess to understand and actually promote that mentality. But I doubt I'll never truly understand. And many here would say I still don't because of the lack of conviction I have for the rights of people who wish to own semi's... and they would be right I think.

That said, I think we all would be better served if we listened to all participants of humanity from wherever it is they hail from. There is so much to learn, and with an issue as tough as this one, passions are hard to overcome when we have created truths and logic that may or may not still be applicable.

Every American doesn't have the right to own a gun. We would like to believe that, but it's not true. Felons are still American's last time I checked. New Yorkers are still Americans last time I checked... kali... well, kali is Kali.

Should American's who want the ability to own any arm they wish fight as hard as they can - heck yes! There is a slippery slope and the constitution has been messed with more than enough. But that's not to say all those individuals who think weapons built to go on the offensive against other humans not deer or what have you, don't have a point as well if they believe that there is no way to stop a government that has the army at its side.

At one time, everyone owning a gun meant you could form an army. No longer. The issues have changed. Those guns designed to kill masses in the hand of the public will only ever be used responsibly or to kill your fellow citizens en mass. The military will not have an issue with you and a hundred of your palls with them.

Whatever happens - I hope it's at the end of a vote and not as Glen states, by an over zealous and uneducated government.

I dont see this a gun issue. As i stated in the othere thread. Crazy People will find a way, Fly a plane into a building, Drive a pickup truck through a cross walk, or bring a gun into a school.
We need to fix the way people treat each other!

David,

Did you just honestly say that New York'rs and West Coasters can't own guns????

I believe you might have that fact wrong

just for Cali

The gun laws of California are some of the strictest in the United States. A Handgun Safety Certificate, obtained by passing a written test, is required for handgun purchases, although there are exemptions to this requirement. Handguns sold by dealers must be "California legal" by being listed on the state's roster of handguns certified for sale. Private sales of firearms must be done through a licensed dealer. All firearm sales are recorded by the state, and have a ten-day waiting period. Unlike most other states, California has no provision in its state constitution that explicitly guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. The California Supreme Court has maintained that most of California's restrictive gun laws are constitutional based on the fact that the state's constitution does not explicitly guarantee private citizens the right to purchase, possess, or carry firearms. However recent US Supreme Court decisions of Heller (2008) and McDonald (2010) established that the 2nd Amendment applied to all states within the Union, and many of California's gun laws are now being challenged in the federal courts.


And we are born with the right to own a gun read what I wrote again...

I was born with the "Right" to own a gun, period no man can deny me that Right, only I can cause/allow it to be lost

Originally Posted by gssixgun

David,

Did you just honestly say that New York'rs and West Coasters can't own guns????

I believe you might have that fact wrong

And we are born with the right to own a gun read what I wrote again...

I was born with the "Right" to own a gun, period no man can deny me that Right, only I can cause/allow it to be lost

Sorry Glen I was in my own mind but NO they can't own whatever they want. Try getting any handgun you want in New York city and carrying it. Or Kali.

I agree it is your right to own! That is... your right. But states are taking measures to stop what kind of gun you can own.

Hey has any president been shot with a semi?

Originally Posted by earcutter

Hey has any president been shot with a semi?

Checking the Regan shooting that might have been a semiauto .22


nope a revolver