Thread: Assault weopen carnage agian?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

There is something different nowadays. We got in plenty of fist fights when I was a teenager. Meet you at "the statue" after school and we would go at it. No guns, no shooting uninvolved people, or anyone else.

You didn't have "drive by shootings" when two guys got into an argument in a bar. You went into the parking lot and may the best man win.

Isn't it something that the St.Valentine's Day Massacre made world wide headlines, had movies made about it, and now killing 7 guys in a garage wouldn't even make the front page.

We've come a long way since Charles Whitman climbed a tower in Texas.

Jim,maybe people today have far to much access to guns and ammo,just a thought.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Jim,maybe people today have far to much access to guns and ammo,just a thought.

It might seem hard to believe but there is less access, because of all the gun laws since 1968 take a look at the stats on the shear volume of gun laws that were written before compared to after...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

It might seem hard to believe but there is less access, because of all the gun laws since 1968

Glen is right. I bought several old milsurp rifles via mail order in the mid 60's. I think I bought my first one ( K98 for $18.95 that I wish I had now) when I was 12 years old. It's a wonder I didn't murder the whole world! Surplus WWII ammo was a penny a pop and shipped free if you bought $5.00 worth! I burned up a LOT of that stuff.

Oh, my parents were aware of my purchases and had no problems with them. I got my first .22 when I was 6 and my first shot gun when I was 8. Killed my first deer when I was 10.

Left the house today about 3:45 after the Presidents speech: I knew this would come up on SRP, but I hoped the thread would wait until the victims were put to rest.

My son, 15 years old, listened to the radio, as we drove to a friends house who also has boys of the same age. Both of our homes have firearms.

So many mixed feelings about this type of carnage, I don't know what to write about or say.

I know that a person or kid of sound mind, does not wake up on a beautiful morning, stretch his arms, eat his breakfast the head to the school/mall to kill. There had to be warning signs, indicators for quite some time that this person wasn't running on all cylinders. Obviously no one took the time or knew what to look for. I have noticed, most of my adult life, that people just "walk on by" so to speak. I wish I could say in words what I believe to be a root cause of behavior like this, but I'm truly not educated, my own fault.

I ask my son each day/everyday I pick him up from school, any problems of any kind at school today?, did you have a good day?, what did you eat for lunch?, do you have homework tonight? These for questions are asked everyday, without fail. Does this make me a great parent?, No it does not, but it allows me to head off problems that could get out of hand. People must take the time to get involved.

I took a trip in early summer to my mother's house in Georgia, large acreage for hunting/shooting on her property.
I picked up my nephew from his father, so he could spend the week with my son, both are the same age. My mother wanted to spend some time with both of her grandsons. I had weapons in my vehicle to spend some range time with my son. A Bulgarian AK, shotgun & handguns. My son shots trap on Monday nights with other youths in a County wide program. He has very basic handgun skills. My brother-in-law asked if I could include his son in the shooting lessons at my mothers. I said yes.

The night before, I'm in the livingroom with the family, my nephew (15 years) in on the computer. He is conversing with a man of 25 years , who face is on the screen. The man is on video & you can hear him talking, with my nephew. My nephew just types back his responses, he has no video. Both are members of some type of military video game, where a lot of people can play all at one time, from all over the world. A very graphic realistic game. {We don't have video games at my house, I have never allowed them.} They start talking about "Head Shots", the adult says , "You get a good head shot & the guy will piss his pants as he dies." I stood up and asked my nephew, "WTF did he just say? Who is this guy?" I made him turn the computer off.

I canceled the firearm training that following day & the rest of the summer. I wasn't about to give my nephew shooting skills with an AK or any other weapon. I told my sister about the man on the computer & my concerns about how much time he spent on it with grown men, discussing such topics. I was politly told to go F myself.
I'm not blaming a video game for anything, but this was a case of a parent not engaged in their kids daily activities.

If it would bring back just 1 of those kids lives, you can have all my guns. I don't love them, more than I love the life of an innocent child. I can protect my family with other means. But I do know that a committed mind will find a method to kill & that it is totally imposible to get rid of all firearms.

I don't know what the answer is.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

Left the house today about 3:45 after the Presidents speech: I knew this would come up on SRP, but I hoped the thread would wait until the victims were put to rest.

My son, 15 years old, listened to the radio, as we drove to a friends house who also has boys of the same age. Both of our homes have firearms.

So many mixed feelings about this type of carnage, I don't know what to write about or say.

I know that a person or kid of sound mind, does not wake up on a beautiful morning, stretch his arms, eat his breakfast the head to the school/mall to kill. There had to be warning signs, indicators for quite some time that this person wasn't running on all cylinders. Obviously no one took the time or knew what to look for. I have noticed, most of my adult life, that people just "walk on by" so to speak. I wish I could say in words what I believe to be a root cause of behavior like this, but I'm truly not educated, my own fault.

I ask my son each day/everyday I pick him up from school, any problems of any kind at school today?, did you have a good day?, what did you eat for lunch?, do you have homework tonight? These for questions are asked everyday, without fail. Does this make me a great parent?, No it does not, but it allows me to head off problems that could get out of hand. People must take the time to get involved.

I took a trip in early summer to my mother's house in Georgia, large acreage for hunting/shooting on her property.
I picked up my nephew from his father, so he could spend the week with my son, both are the same age. My mother wanted to spend some time with both of her grandsons. I had weapons in my vehicle to spend some range time with my son. A Bulgarian AK, shotgun & handguns. My son shots trap on Monday nights with other youths in a County wide program. He has very basic handgun skills. My brother-in-law asked if I could include his son in the shooting lessons at my mothers. I said yes.

The night before, I'm in the livingroom with the family, my nephew (15 years) in on the computer. He is conversing with a man of 25 years , who face is on the screen. The man is on video & you can hear him talking, with my nephew. My nephew just types back his responses, he has no video. Both are members of some type of military video game, where a lot of people can play all at one time, from all over the world. A very graphic realistic game. {We don't have video games at my house, I have never allowed them.} They start talking about "Head Shots", the adult says , "You get a good head shot & the guy will piss his pants as he dies." I stood up and asked my nephew, "WTF did he just say? Who is this guy?" I made him turn the computer off.

When I heard the man say this , my mind flashed back to the summer of 1988 when Freddy Andrade shot my partner Scotty in the head with a 25 cal. as Scotty chased him across an open yard. Scotty's head swelled to the size of a basketball & he wet himself as he died. I canceled the firearm training that following day & the rest of the summer. I wasn't about to give my nephew shooting skills with an AK or any other weapon. I told my sister about the man on the computer & my concerns about how much time he spent on it with grown men, discussing such topics. I was politly told to go F myself.
I'm not blaming a video game for anything, but this was a case of a parent not engaged in their kids daily activities.

If it would bring back just 1 of those kids lives, you can have all my guns. I don't love them, more than I love the life of an innocent child. I can protect my family with other means. But I do know that a committed mind will find a method to kill & that it is totally imposible to get rid of all firearms.

I don't know what the answer is.

very good post ... in one of my post earlier i had mentioned how i dont understand that im the only parent at my kids sports practices and how a parent/child seem to be distant in these days

Funny you mention that, about three weeks ago my son was trying out for the school soccer team, the tryouts lasted 8 days. Only two parents were there. Me & another guy. There were 40+ kids trying out for the team. Yes, I know parents have to work, but a sad statement still.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

Funny you mention that, about three weeks ago my son was trying out for the school soccer team, the tryouts lasted 8 days. Only two parents were there. Me & another guy. There were 40+ kids trying out for the team. Yes, I know parents have to work, but a sad statement still.

its like sports is just for some parents that can make it but dont to have there free time or in my kids ages a baby sitting service

The problem isn't MSNBC (or Fox for that matter).

It's not pertinent that the press doesn't get the facts straight right away or that they generally don't have any specific knowledge in the technical aspects of the stories they cover.

There is nothing new here. It's the same with flying, boating, scuba accidents and most news stories in general.

It's annoying but so what it's not the issue at stake here.

It's also true that there are usually plenty of gun laws being broken most anytime a gun is used in any crime.

Again, that's not the point and it certainly isn't an original point.

The fact remains that in China today (as was brought up earlier) a crazy man managed to injure 22 (I think) children in a school.

A crazy man here was able to kill 22-28 or whatever the final tally turn out to be.

It's just easier here. Yes, it can be done in Norway too but it isn't done as much. The one time it was done was rare enough to get a mention in this thread.

The discussion isn't (or shouldn't be) simply to pass more gun laws nor should it be to rule out passing any laws (of any type) if shown to reduce this kind of crime.

To do that there have to be open minds involved in the discussion rather than strawman arguments or decisions soley based on unchanging beliefs rather than ever changing facts.

If there were more guns among law abiding citizens statistics would probably show that more than 22 children/year would be accidentally killed,

Just as more boats among law abiding citizens would show more accidental drowning.

My point is that there isn't a simple solution but arming all teachers, or banning all guns isn't likely to be the ultimate "best" solution.

Thinking decision makers rather than knee-jerk decision makers (on whatever side of the issue) is the only solution (to any problem).

Originally Posted by gssixgun

It might seem hard to believe but there is less access, because of all the gun laws since 1968 take a look at the stats on the shear volume of gun laws that were written before compared to after...

Go to any gun show Glen,hang in the parking lot,deal out of the back of pickups and buy all the full auto AKs,M16s,and uzis your wallet can afford,are all there for the money.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Go to any gun show Glen,hang in the parking lot,deal out of the back of pickups and buy all the full auto AKs,M16s,and uzis your wallet can afford,are all there for the money.

Have been to way to many gun shows, in way to many states and I have never seen that... Not even close but I have seen that on TV and in the Movies but I know that is fiction

Maybe you should call the cops and report it if you see it again though as it is against the Law