Thread: Pondering......

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Ill jump into this fray.
Im not against People having fire arms. We need them for Hunting, and Protecting our live stock, for that matter protecting your home. I dont want to see firearms taken way from people. What i would like to see is Laws like we have up here in the Canada for the safe storage of those fire arms so they dont get into the wrong hands. Here we Have to keep the gun locked up and with a trigger lock, the Ammo has to be store else wear.
Our Laws are not perfect by any means and if they really want the weapon they will get it, but i believe it helps.

Colin

Colin - you by no means have the right to own a gun in Canada. In Ontario anyway. Moreover the laws are so restrictive... to say they are for defense is a farce.

How are you going to convince any rational Judge in America that they should look to Canadian laws when your right to defend yourself with a gun only comes after you ask a would be wrongdoer to wait as you get to your safe - reach in - assemble - run to another room and load your weapon.

No self respecting American... well, lets just say, it wouldn't and shouldn't wash down here if the purpose of the right given is to defend oneself... just saying.

Originally Posted by earcutter

Colin - you by no means have the right to own a gun in Canada. In Ontario anyway. Moreover the laws are so restrictive... to say they are for defense is a farce.

How are you going to convince any rational Judge in America that they should look to Canadian laws when your right to defend yourself with a gun only comes after you ask a would be wrongdoer to wait as you get to your safe - reach in - assemble - run to another room and load your weapon.

No self respecting American... well, lets just say, it wouldn't and shouldn't wash down here if the purpose of the right given is to defend oneself... just saying.

I am afraid self defense of your home with a gun in Canada could be just plain illegal. There are laws governing where you can legally discharge a firearm and last time I looked your home ain't on the list. Then you have to consider whether you used excessive force when you shot and killed an unarmed burglar. That maybe considered some form of manslaughter/murder. The cards are very much staked against you in legal terms.

The recommended procedure is to dial 911 and hope they can spring some help away from the local donut hole. I might be exaggerating a bit but still it is a pretty bleak outlook.

Yea, that just will not wash in the USA.

Bob

Originally Posted by earcutter

Colin - you by no means have the right to own a gun in Canada. In Ontario anyway. Moreover the laws are so restrictive... to say they are for defense is a farce.

How are you going to convince any rational Judge in America that they should look to Canadian laws when your right to defend yourself with a gun only comes after you ask a would be wrongdoer to wait as you get to your safe - reach in - assemble - run to another room and load your weapon.

No self respecting American... well, lets just say, it wouldn't and shouldn't wash down here if the purpose of the right given is to defend oneself... just saying.

Your are totally right. As self defence its not pratical and BobH is right that i would probibly go to jail for killing the inturder.
But it is less likely for a person to just grab the fire arm and commit a crime.
As i stated its not even close to being a perfect system but i believe it does help.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Your are totally right. As self defence its not pratical and BobH is right that i would probibly go to jail for killing the inturder.
But it is less likely for a person to just grab the fire arm and commit a crime.
As i stated its not even close to being a perfect system but i believe it does help.

I think it might help as well, but why even have a handgun then? Don't forget the whole handgun thing. I was asked a few times in Canada if I wanted to get one - but I couldn't understand the logic.

I love handgun shooting! Love it, but a handguns sole purpose to me is to kill people. I have no illusions of myself going out and hunting with one. A beautiful 30-30 lever, or a nice .260 is what I'll reach for - or my bow. So being that I need to dismantle it, and safe it makes it useless. Moreover, I expect I'll know when the Apocalypse is coming... in which case I'll grab that 30-30 again.

Moreover in Ontario, owning a handgun dictates that the RCMP can enter your house without a warrant at any time to make sure it's properly stored. That's not a freedom I wished to lose for my love of plinking with a handgun.

Yeah it's a whole different mindset and a whole different set of reasoning. But now that I type all that - I will say that if Rhynio's were not nearly extinct, heading out with a nice revolver and a set of cohones... that would be uh, killer LOL!!

Originally Posted by earcutter

I think it might help as well, but why even have a handgun then? Don't forget the whole handgun thing. I was asked a few times in Canada if I wanted to get one - but I couldn't understand the logic.

I love handgun shooting! Love it, but a handguns sole purpose to me is to kill people. I have no illusions of myself going out and hunting with one. A beautiful 30-30 lever, or a nice .260 is what I'll reach for - or my bow. So being that I need to dismantle it, and safe it makes it useless. Moreover, I expect I'll know when the Apocalypse is coming... in which case I'll grab that 30-30 again.

Moreover in Ontario, owning a handgun dictates that the RCMP can enter your house without a warrant at any time to make sure it's properly stored. That's not a freedom I wished to lose for my love of plinking with a handgun.

Yeah it's a whole different mindset and a whole different set of reasoning. But now that I type all that - I will say that if Rhynio's were not nearly extinct, heading out with a nice revolver and a set of cohones... that would be uh, killer LOL!!

SO David, am I to infer that because a handgun's purpose to you is strictly to kill people, that I should believe the same?

I've had handguns all my adult life. I've yet to kill anyone with one. I have used to one to save my stuff on a couple of occasions. All I had to do was present it in a convincing manner. Worked like a hose.

I suppose maybe this analogy would be appropriate, those of us with tattoos don't really care if somebody doesn't have any tattoos. Yet a lot of folks without tats get all bent about those of us that do. I would apply the same about firearms.

Originally Posted by Wullie

SO David, am I to infer that because a handgun's purpose to you is strictly to kill people, that I should believe the same?

I've had handguns all my adult life. I've yet to kill anyone with one. I have used to one to save my stuff on a couple of occasions. All I had to do was present it in a convincing manner. Worked like a hose.

I suppose maybe this analogy would be appropriate, those of us with tattoos don't really care if somebody doesn't have any tattoos. Yet a lot of folks without tats get all bent about those of us that do. I would apply the same about firearms.

Heck No Wullie!! Not at all! You believe what you wish! Seriously!

I said that for me handguns sole purpose is to kill people. I guess I could add to deter... deter you with the threat that I'll kill you if you mess around! LOL! I am not that good a shot! .

I don't care if you have a gun either... or a tattoo lol! But seriously - if a handgun sole purpose isn't for killing people, what is it? You aren't going to tell me that you need one to hunt are you?

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Originally Posted by earcutter

Heck No Wullie!! Not at all! You believe what you wish! Seriously!

I said that for me handguns sole purpose is to kill people. I guess I could add to deter... deter you with the threat that I'll kill you if you mess around! LOL! I am not that good a shot! .

I don't care if you have a gun either... or a tattoo lol! But seriously - if a handgun sole purpose isn't for killing people, what is it? You aren't going to tell me that you need one to hunt are you?

On another note! Check out this story! WOW:

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David, I used to hunt with pistols. I've taken deer and hogs with them.

My eyes aren't what they used to be so I don't play that game anymore.

I've killed more venomous snakes with pistols than I can count too.

So there.

Originally Posted by Wullie

David, I used to hunt with pistols. I've taken deer and hogs with them.

My eyes aren't what they used to be so I don't play that game anymore.

I've killed more venomous snakes with pistols than I can count too.

So there.

I hear you Wullie - I do!! They are great tools to have around, and whatever you do, when I say something about said tools... Note I view them as tools, though I understand your love for them, I am not running down your mother or wife or anything lol.

Using them for other reasons is great - I agree. But that's not what 99% of handguns were designed for - in my opinion.

Originally Posted by earcutter

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When I was a kid it was fallout shelters.

Originally Posted by Wullie

I suppose maybe this analogy would be appropriate, those of us with tattoos don't really care if somebody doesn't have any tattoos. Yet a lot of folks without tats get all bent about those of us that do. I would apply the same about firearms.

Wullie, just so you know, I have both tattoos and guns and will do my damndest to care and protect those that do and don't should a situation arise even if they don't care about me.