Found out the other day at the range it was actually 8 degrees...
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Found out the other day at the range it was actually 8 degrees...
Miserable
Got out to the outdoor range today and boy did it feel good to shoot outside. 56 degrees and I think we lost 8-10” of snow overnight.
Shot my EDC X9 testing some loads as our indoor range has a FPS limit at 1,000. Also got about a hundred rounds through my Les Baer PII.
Got a big boost from the winter blahs.
Finally managed to get them out for an hour today. Was supposed to be taking a buddy but he pulled out at the last minute. So I just went along myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC45
Since I only had myself to fire off the clays I only got 50 out of the traps, and wasn't really taking it too seriously. I did abysmally lol, but I really was more interested in just putting some shells through them.
They ran admirably, they were kickibg a little harder than I expected with 21g cartridges in, but they are pretty light.
Geek
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Originally Posted by TheGeek
Sometimes those old single shots will beat you up a bit.
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Some old Kongsberg rifles.
Interesting bit of info, I would have never thought it. I have three 1911's. One Kimber Super Carry Pro thats 4" in .45acp, a Sig Nightmare thats 5" in .357 Sig, and a Taurus 5" (only thing thats Taurus is the actual slide and frame) in .45acp.
Slides should interchange right? Wrong. Absolutely none would fit on the other.
What started it is that the Taurus has a magnificent trigger anf I wanted to see what groups I could shoot. I guess I need to work on the Sigs trigger...
I've been away from this thread for awhile... I built two ARs from 80% lowers, one polymer and one aluminum. I have a reflex on the polymer and a 16" barrel. It's set up as a short range gun, and the aluminum I set up for mid-range coyotes. I bought myself a Springfield loaded 1911 for Christmas and two days ago I was in the shop looking at smaller carry guns and ended up walking out with a Taurus PT111 G2.
On Saturday, I picked a combo pump and semi I had on order. And just because I happened to be there I looked at a few rimfire bolts found an old BRNO I liked. Turns out I can't fight the voices. Both are now in my cabinet.
Got that combo pump / semi out the other week to shoot some clays. It's a bit of a beast.
Also took a trip out and bought a gsg 1911 in .22, I got it for £125 as it wasn't cycling. Stripped it cleaned it, got rid on hydrocoating inside the slide and on the frame, lubed it up a bit, and it's firing like a champ. Normally the sell for £300> second hand.
I finally broke down and bought a Nelson Conversion and installed it on a SW1911TA that used to be my bedroom gun. Stripped all the parts from the S&W and installed Wilson Combat Bullet Proof trigger, sear, hammer, disconnector and wide single sided thumb safety. No slop in trigger and a very nice, clean break at 2# 10oz. ALso added an Ed Brown two piece main spring housing in chainlink that I had in my parts bin. The Nelson Marvel Conversion is fantastic.
Nice! .22LR outta the 1911.
I have been thinking about getting a .22 conversion for my 1911 and hadn't heard of the Nelson version. Any advantage to this one over the GSG? The GSG is waaay cheaper so I'm pretty sure that's the way I'll go. But if there are advantages to the Nelson, I'd at least consider it.
It's really just for plinking at the range, so I'm not too terribly worried about it working first time every time.
Quality and accuracy, pretty much on par in accuracy with a S&W Model 41. If you looking for a little less expensive one take a look at Advantage Arms, they also have a pinker model and a target model. Had a target model years ago and it was very nice. Certainly quality is well above GSG. I have a GSG 1911 .22 that I have replaced all the parts that I can to aftermarket parts from CW Acessories. It’s now a great plate table gun but still not a bullseye. In my opinion GSG and quality can’t be used in the same sentence. Really think you would be much happier with the Advantage Arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangooner
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The gsg 1911 is cheap, and realistically you get what you pay for. But it's a nice plinker and can be upgraded easily without too much expense.
Here in the UK we are very limited in access to semi auto .22 pistols and the gsg 1911 is one of only 3 I've came across, so the hold value well. Normally around the £350 to £450 mark.
I got mine at £125 though.
I have not sold mine, they are very good plinkers for the price. With the upgrades that I did to mine, it is a fantastic plate table gun, too. Can you get CW Acessories parts over there. I was thinking that they now were able to do some international shipping. I only wish someone would make a quality sear for them as a standard 1911 sear will not work. With a good quality sear and sear hammer fit, you could get a very good trigger pull. The sear pin hole is smaller than a standard 1911 and so I can’t even get the sear into one of my sear jigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGeek
You can, via an importer, there are one or two. Most parts are reasonable but for the likes of a new slide you are looking at twice what I paid for my gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by apipeguy
Geek
There's been chat on other places I go about cheap guns. Personally I woukd never turn away from a gun, I am a believer that with some effort almost every gun can be functional.
Thoughts?
Absolutely agree and often far more than functional. My daughter’s first gun that I bought her was a Rock Island 1911 and I paid 250 for it used. Did some work on it and changed a few parts. That cheap gun is 100% reliable and the trigger is as good as any of my Wilsons. It is also extremely accurate, as accurate as it can be with GI sights.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGeek
Had a KelTec P3AT that was my backup/pocket gun when I was in the Detective Bureau, a 220 dollar gun that I would bet my life on and that never failed me.
My GSG1911 is/was a cheap gun, I’ve replaced a lot and done a lot of work on it and it is a fantastic plate table gun.
Have friends with very inexpensive guns that are just as they came from the factory and are very reliable, accurate guns.
I certainly believe that you get what you pay for but at times we are lucky and get far more than what we paid for.
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Originally Posted by apipeguy
My P3AT goes EVERYWHERE with me. I just changed out the mag springs to Xtra power Wolff springs.
Sold mine many years ago to my son-in-law that couldn’t really afford a new one and he got a very good price, replaced it with a Ruger LCP but I mainly carry a Sig P238 if I only grab a little gun for a quick trip to the hardware store.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC45
The P238 is a great gun. The security lead at our church has one and he let me shoot it. Like a baby 1911 on roller bearings.Quote:
Originally Posted by apipeguy
My P3AT is my second. My first was all black with the pocket clip. Sold it for what I paid for it after I had it for many years. Guy HAD to have it. He paid my asking price and we were both happy. This one I got off my buddy who has a pawnshop. $170 OTD for it. It's grey and blued. Well one side is blue. The other side of the slide is a dull silver color due to riding against my hip for all these years. I run FMJ ball in it and the spare magazine in my pocket. When I shoot it for practice I use a Lee 102gr. .356 bullet over Bullseye powder.
Every few months I tear it down and get all the lint and denim fuzz out of it and oil/grease it back up and back to action.
I agree 100%! A little elbow grease and effort and even the old dogs can be made to run right.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGeek
I got a Remington Model 11 many years ago as a basket case. Guy said "I'm only selling this for parts, I don't recommend you shoot it". I paid $60 USD for it and after looking it over, I was shooting it in the next few days. I put $60 more dollars into it and now I shoot it all the time! I had to buy a new friction ring, keeper screw, and a semi fitted buttstock. After tearing it down (it was full of dog hair and quail feathers and years of crud) and cleaning it I was pleased with my handiwork. I fit the stock and put a little linseed oil on it and there it is.
I called Remington and gave them the serial number and they told me it was made in 1914. I think she's got a few more years in her.
I break down my 938 about once a month as well. Especially if i pocket carry much.
"Functional", yes. Reliable and precise, well that's a whole different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGeek
Disarming good people has never made them any safer.
My mother having a revolver and using it on a would-be rapist in 1963 saved not only her life but allowed the birth and life of 12 children, grand children, and great-grandchildren.
She didn't have to fire a shot, seeing that 5 inch long barrel pointed at his face was enough. However, I have often wondered how many women he went on to rape and murder.
Gun owner here too. Carry one or two daily, have used to prevent attacks three times in 21 years so far. Met with force and determination, most bad guys, even en masse, do not want to play such games.
I would figure the sort of man that would use a straight razor would be the sort of man that would own guns or at least support the practice.
I keep a p238 in my truck bag. It's technically the wife's gun but I'm certain she's never actually carried it. Getting her to carry is one of those things that just won't happen. A P3AT or LCP might actually do it. Her biggest complaint is the weight it adds to her purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC45
I worked in a LGS for a few years and there are several guns that made me cringe. Most around the $200-250 mark BNIB. The Taurus PT111/Millenium G2 was one of those guns that I wouldn't trust my life with. I'd accept it if it was given to me, but it would probably get thrown in a glove box and forgotten about. I can actually drop the magazine using my trigger finger, have had magazines drop free due to recoil and had trigger safeties fail.The SCCY CPX-2 was another one that I hated selling. They seemed to be reliable enough...but had the ergonomics of a brick and weren't pleasant to shoot. I saw a some pretty gnarly slide bite from those as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGeek
On the other side of the coin, Rock River/Armscorr make very nice 1911s for the money. Their 2011 stands out for me. I've seen a guy shoot circles around people with STIs with one of those (heavily modified, of course, but the cost of admission is a huge bonus).
Off body carry (such as a purse) are not good choices to keep lethal weapons. There are on-body carry options for women but the main thing is, the woman must be dedicated to protecting herself. Most men that CCW are not that dedicated.....at least not all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by orestes85
Get her one of those small weapons and see if she can shoot it well. Generally, anything less than 9mm Parabellum or .38 SPL is not recommended for self defense but even a .22 LR beats having to use a knife. On the belt, even a heavy 1911 is completely manageable so you know a P3AT would be. I've carried a S&W Airweight for three years now and I don't even know it's there.....reload included.
My current GF cannot get a CCW yet (not a US citizen) but she seems to be 100% pro gun and pro self defense.....I wouldn't have dated her this long if she was anything less.
The only issue with the LCP or P3AT is that they kick like a mule. The weight does make them disappear in the pocket. I do at times carry my LCP in the summer with shorts but when a mouse gun is carried I do prefer the P238.Quote:
Originally Posted by orestes85
With guns you can have 2 of 3 and only 2 of three: small,light, and easy to shoot.
Teach your wife to shoot and she'll get over the recoil. Carry guns are meant to be carried often and shot little. When the bad guy is trying to hurt her, she won't notice the recoil.
A heavier gun shoots easier but it's heavier. Proper belt holsters handle the weight but require a dedicated person. For some reason, most people require either being assaulted themselves or seeing it happen to someone they know before they become dedicated to protecting themselves.
I don't see any reason for such a correlation.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnglesMatter
Just thought it might be time for a friendly reminder, particularly for any who may have missed the period during which the decision was taken, that threads/discussions regarding gun control are in fact banned:
No more gun control threads
Now, that having been said, I am looking forward to getting back to the range soon, hopefully this weekend. It has been far too long, and I'm especially looking forward to the P14 (favourite rifle), 1911 (love the THUNK), and SKS (just plain fun).
She won't carry on body. Just plain will not happen. Tried a few things with her 238 and she refused to use any of them. She doesn't really wear pants that often either due to where she works and her job. I would rather her keep something in her purse, that doesn't leave her sight, and rarely her shoulder, to begin with. An LCP/P3AT isn't for taking to the range to shoot and have fun with, I'm less concerned with getting bitched at if she ends up having to use it and it stung her hands when she shot the bad guy. I'm fine with .380 for a self-defense weapon, particularly for her, because she's not going to be in an extended gunfight at 25 yards. She needs something to pop a guy trying to snatch her in the parking lot when she gets off after dark.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnglesMatter
She doesn't have an issue with recoil. She has an issue with the size/weight of a gun. She carries handbags that are on the smaller side which makes me more comfortable with her carrying in her purse because its smaller/lighter so she doesn't leave the bag anywhere and typically carries her bag cross body. Hence, the LCP/P3AT being slimmer and lighter than the 238 might work better for her, particularly if I make a kydex mold out of some scrap for the trigger well and just dummy cord it to the bottom of her bag. The trigger will be protected and it'll pop off when the pistol clears the purse. She loves her 238, but she just complains about how heavy her purse is with it and it ends up getting left on her nightstand.Quote:
Originally Posted by apipeguy
Totally understand. Although the LCP may not be a range gun it still needs to be shot enough to gain confidence and the ability to accurately shoot it. If she has no issue with practicing, then it may just be the right gun for her. If she is then my hat is off to her, not many women find the LCP conducive to practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by orestes85
Depending on what state one lives in, 25 yards is much too far away to be involved in a shooting for any reason. Further, most concealed carry handguns would be hard pressed to display much accuracy beyond 7 yards, much less 25, depending on shooter skill which often depends on how often they practice with the same rounds they carry.
Small handguns tend to be harder to shoot well. The problem with .380 is not caliber but bullet weight. 95 grains just about maxes out weight and that isn't enough mass to reliably reach the vitals and ensure a decent chance of stopping the attack. 9mm Parabellum and .38 Special are considered "basement" rounds for this very reason.
There have been at least two high-profile cases of children getting into a purse and shooting their mothers with handguns kept there. Off body carry invites theft and "not being there when needed." But if she refuses, she refuses.
In the end, deciding to and how one defends themselves is about as personal a decision as one can make. No one can choose for anyone else. At one time I carried a .380 but I also made a lot of excuses to justify it. These days much more powerful handguns can be had in the same size as a .380. Let's hope she never has to use it.
*I trust she knows how to handle both the event and the aftermath? I just had that discussion with my aunt and I went over what she can expect from authorities and what she must tell police after the smoke has cleared.
Ive said this many times, and I will repeat it here again... While there is a truth to "Bigger is Better" that only goes up to a point. Smaller frame people like myself, at a whopping 5'5 , have a great deal if difficulty managing a larger pistol/round. To your hands the recoil of a .40 cal is no big deal, and you can shoot a 9mm all day long. But to some of us, its harder, and even downright painful, to handle. I happily carry my .380, and when occasion arises, my Seecamp .32 You may say its not enough, but I can practice with these for hours without hurting, so my aim is true. More so than I would ever be with a "real" defensive round. On the street, I will only need them in close quarters, where my small caliber will be balanced by good grouping. (PCP crazed loons not withstanding)
My dad had a shooting gallery in Coney Island, which fired puny little .22 short frangables. I know for a fact that 7 of them will kill a man.
as they say... The .22 in your pocket is better than the .45 on your nightstand !
Actually, smaller handguns recoil harsher and handle worse than larger handguns.
A friend is 5'2" and carried a full size 1911 in .45 ACP for years so I'm not buying your size argument. Get a better holster and man it up! Or do I have to come over there? LOL :argue:
What you carry is your choice of course, and no one has a right to bash you for it.
I once prevented a murder with a .22 Magnum.....the murder I prevented was my own but it was a very near thing.....I had gotten lazy and didn't carry my Kahr P9 that day which I just as easily could have.
Do you still live in NY? If so, are you able to carry there?
I'm confident in a .380's ability to stop a threat from inside 21 feet. Obviously I'd be thrilled if she came to me and asked if she could carry my g19 and I'd know she had a +P loading of Federal HSTs on tap, but she's not at all into gun culture. My jaw almost hit the floor when she asked to get her Weapons Carry License and went with me to the LGS to pick out a pistol. I pushed for her to get a Walther CCP or P938, because I know from experience they're soft shooting. We don't have kids which is why I'm fine with the gun sitting in a purse/nightstand at home. I've been over what to do if she ever has to use her pistol, but she's pretty mouthy so that'll all probably go out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnglesMatter
Unrelated note, I took out some of my mouse fart loads for 9mm and ran through 100 draw then emergency reload drills from a new holster. I picked up the T Rex Arms Sidecar Appendix holster. I've been behind enemy lines in California for 3 months and haven't been able to get my unloading therapy in since January. Felt good to get out to the range and test some new kit kit while I was at it. Blew out the center of an IDPA target. I also picked up a ton of once fired brass, so now I have something to do for today.
At least she is taking her self defense responsibility seriously and for that, I am thankful too! As a SWAT team member I was fortunate enough to meet told me "the more good people that are armed the safer the country."Quote:
Originally Posted by orestes85
CA? Eek! Godspeed on your return to our lines sir! LOL
Last night I ordered two boxes of Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain standard pressure.....I want to try that out in my current carry weapon as it is not +P rated (my aunt has my normal .38 and my usual backup .38 is at the gunsmith). If the stuff shoots well in this weapon and my father's .38, I'll order a big case of the stuff. I also want to get a speed loader pouch from Andrew's Leather.....I've been carrying a speed strip but reloading is very slow with that.
