Thread: How many people CCW here?

Originally Posted by shooter74743

If you were a 1911 shooter, it would be reflex to remove thumb safety. I did five quick holster to target draws and as I am presenting the weapon in the last few inches is where I drop the thumb safety. I agree that a 1911 isn't for a beginning or novice shooter as a ccw (remember my buying my wife a Glock for her CCW), but for some it's just an old friend...who will never let you down.

I agree,
When I started carrying it was a 1911 type platform a Browning HP.
Never had an issue,
I have found during high stress drills and competition I still sweep for the safety and I don't anticipate letting that change.
The light callous on my thumb is a testament to that.

Originally Posted by shooter74743

If you were a 1911 shooter, it would be reflex to remove thumb safety. I did five quick holster to target draws and as I am presenting the weapon in the last few inches is where I drop the thumb safety. I agree that a 1911 isn't for a beginning or novice shooter as a ccw (remember my buying my wife a Glock for her CCW), but for some it's just an old friend...who will never let you down.

Dont get me wrong! I think that 1911s are the sexiest gun ever made! Love them! But i think every gun has its purpose thats all... You know! And would never ccw a 1911! I will compete with them! I will protect my house with one but i would not ccw with one of them!

Originally Posted by pfries

I agree,
When I started carrying it was a 1911 type platform a Browning HP.
Never had an issue,
I have found during high stress drills and competition I still sweep for the safety and I don't anticipate letting that change.
The light callous on my thumb is a testament to that.

Drills are not real life situation! You can practice drawing and flipping the safety off but you never know if you have to use your off hand (arm is jacked up or something) to draw and your 1911 doesn't have an abi safety! Now what! ? All the training down to the drain! Unless you have been in a life treating situation ... Nobody knows! In the military we do drills and more drills and more training! Prepping us for what we will see ! First time i heard a mortal fall and blow near enough you feel the blast! Then i understood that all the training was not what you really see and feel in a real situation! Now ccw! I had a knife put on my neck once from behind and a second guy had one in front of me! Just to get my jewelry! With all the adrenaline rushing .... !!! Do you think i wanted to have an extra mechanical part in my gun that i have to worry about!? Turns out i didnt even get a change to draw since i was taken by surprise and luckily all they wanted was my ring and then they ran! Training and practicing is great but until you actually have to draw... You wouldnt know! Are you really rdy to gamble your life and those of your family with the hope that you flick that safety and that it actually disengage!? I wont

Originally Posted by Bruno

I've seen some very nice handguns here. It made me think. A CCW is something you have with the mindset that you're going to depend on that gun working flawlessly when you need it. Murphy's law says that when you do, other stuff will go wrong as well.

I've read that e.g. Glock is very reliable even in very bad conditions, such as wet and muddy environments. In my unqualified opinion, reliability like that would be of the highest interest. So how do some of these fancy handguns compare to something like a Glock in terms of reliability in bad circumstances? Will they all work after having fallen in a muddy puddle?

Before Glock, Sig set the standard for reliability. They are still used in certain military applications, and passed extensive testing for that contract.

Regarding the 1911 reliability. When desert sand jammed up the Beretta M9s, it was the 1911 that the Marines turned to replace them. Maybe not the top in reliability, but certainly top tier handgun for hard use.

Originally Posted by shooter74743

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I actually did check out my Kimber Ultra CDP 1911 in a muddy puddle for three shots. I dipped it & really made an effort to get grit into it. I lifted it out of the puddle, gave it one good shake to ensure the barrel didn't have any sizeable obstructions & shot. My buddy said it looked like a bomb went off in my hand as muddy water misted out of it. I shot two more times after the first shot to ensure feed and reliability, but it was enough for me & I didn't want to subject it to more "torture" as it's not a cheap gun. I was amazed at how much of the mud I ended up wearing & also amazed at how much of a PITA it is to break down a weapon to every single minute part to properly clean it after such a test. It was a good test as I had gunk in every moving part. I bet I used a roll of paper towels & a box of q-tip ear swabs cleaning it. Doing this test really built a lot of confidence in my 1911 & I'm glad I did it. I have absolutely zero doubt that it would function if I ever had to use it...which I hope I never ever do. Kind of like a spare tire on the automobile, it's there...but I don't want to ever have to use it.

Reading this reminded me of a brutal test the folks over at Ballistics101 put a SIG P229 .357Sig through a while back. Here's an excerpt:

"The Sig Sauer motto is "To hell and back." We decided to bury it in the sand and jump on it several times. We then pulled it out ejected the magazine and dropped the gun and mag in a bucket of muddy water. Next we cycled the slide a few times and proceeded to shoot another 50 rounds flawlessly. We figured what the hay, stick it in the mud at the bottom of the bucket. We pulled it out again and without a rinse launched 50 more mud splattering rounds. Because we had to give it back, I wanted to field strip, rinse and lube the whole thing we left. My good intentions were wasted. No sooner did I finish, our team grabbed it and fired it again. I guess they were not finished with it yet. It was as if everyone was waiting for more trigger time with it. It was popular that day to say the least. Throughout the rest of the day the SIG continued to perform nonstop. We counted the empty boxes of 357 rounds. All the shooters included, we ran just under 1300 rounds. Some hollow point, some flat point. Some Cor-Bon, Hornady and Speer. We had not one failure to fire or failure to eject."

I guess that helps explain the SEAL's love for their SIGs, especially considering that they can use anything they choose!

Originally Posted by robert2286

Drills are not real life situation! You can practice drawing and flipping the safety off but you never know if you have to use your off hand (arm is jacked up or something) to draw and your 1911 doesn't have an abi safety! Now what! ? All the training down to the drain! Unless you have been in a life treating situation ... Nobody knows! In the military we do drills and more drills and more training! Prepping us for what we will see ! First time i heard a mortal fall and blow near enough you feel the blast! Then i understood that all the training was not what you really see and feel in a real situation! Now ccw! I had a knife put on my neck once from behind and a second guy had one in front of me! Just to get my jewelry! With all the adrenaline rushing .... !!! Do you think i wanted to have an extra mechanical part in my gun that i have to worry about!? Turns out i didnt even get a change to draw since i was taken by surprise and luckily all they wanted was my ring and then they ran! Training and practicing is great but until you actually have to draw... You wouldnt know! Are you really rdy to gamble your life and those of your family with the hope that you flick that safety and that it actually disengage!? I wont

I don't think we need to turn this into bashing thread. Everyone carries what they feel comfortable carrying. Let everyone post their gear. If you like their pistol,feel free to get all geeked up about it. If you don't like what they carry, it is ok to just keep that to yourself. As far as your anecdote goes, I would personally work on situational awareness, before I ever started worrying about mechanics. YMMV

Originally Posted by HarleyFXST

I don't think we need to turn this into bashing thread. Everyone carries what they feel comfortable carrying. Let everyone post their gear. If you like their pistol,feel free to get all geeked up about it. If you don't like what they carry, it is ok to just keep that to yourself. As far as your anecdote goes, I would personally work on situational awareness, before I ever started worrying about mechanics. YMMV

Nobody is bashing... I mentioned that i loved 1911s as much as much any other guns... I apologized if u thought we were bashing... We were just establishing our points on why we carry what we carry... And my anecdote... Yes indeed it was lack of attention on my part... I was young and untrained but still my point remains... I am not pro any particular gun... I love all guns... Glocks, 1911s, sig, etc!!! But every gun has its place and thats my opinion and mine alone... You can agree or disagree... No bashing... More like a friendly discussion

O.K.,,,,show & tell time guys ,,,,,,,

Originally Posted by robert2286

Nobody is bashing... I mentioned that i loved 1911s as much as much any other guns... I apologized if u thought we were bashing... We were just establishing our points on why we carry what we carry... And my anecdote... Yes indeed it was lack of attention on my part... I was young and untrained but still my point remains... I am not pro any particular gun... I love all guns... Glocks, 1911s, sig, etc!!! But every gun has its place and thats my opinion and mine alone... You can agree or disagree... No bashing... More like a friendly discussion

It's just that we are protective of the very few gun threads that are allowed here on SRP,,,,we want to keep this one.
So Show & Tell, is the topic here.

Toys.