Results 1 to 10 of 106
Like Tree207Likes

Thread: Shapton 16k, mixed grit??

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    At this point in time... gssixgun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    North Idaho Redoubt
    Posts
    27,068
    Thanked: 13249
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    "Everything that you read on the internet is neither true nor accurate"

    ~ Abraham Lincoln

  2. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to gssixgun For This Useful Post:

    Disburden (03-09-2017), ejmolitor37 (02-09-2017), Euclid440 (02-09-2017), RusenBG (02-12-2017), tinkersd (02-10-2017)

  3. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    217
    Thanked: 35

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    "Everything that you read on the internet is neither true nor accurate"

    ~ Abraham Lincoln
    Found the same info on this site:

    ShaptonŽ, Hardbond, Grit 16.000

    Either the info is correct or this site has copied the information from the dictum site. Something is definitely weird as the 16k is considerably cheaper than the 10k on the dictum site.
    Last edited by SharpMan; 02-09-2017 at 12:42 AM.
    Aerdvaark likes this.

  4. #3
    illegitimum non carborundum Utopian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Rochester, MN
    Posts
    11,552
    Thanked: 3795
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Well, a lot of other places sell the 10k for less than the 16k.

  5. #4
    Senior Member blabbermouth
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,224
    Thanked: 481

    Default

    Instead of reading junk from 3rd party sites you could always go straight to the source...

    Shapton-engineered abrasives are available in extremely uniform particle matrices. A .92 micron (#16000) Shapton abrasive has a uniformity of +/- .01 microns. This level of uniformity does not occur in nature and is unmatched by competing products...
    https://www.shapton.com/glassstone-series

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Marshal For This Useful Post:

    cheetahmeatpheonix (04-01-2022)

  7. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    217
    Thanked: 35

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal View Post
    Instead of reading junk from 3rd party sites you could always go straight to the source...



    https://www.shapton.com/glassstone-series
    The thing is that Dictum is a well respected seller in Europe. So I am left wondering where they got that piece
    of (mis)information.

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to SharpMan For This Useful Post:

    Steve56 (03-26-2022)

  9. #6
    illegitimum non carborundum Utopian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Rochester, MN
    Posts
    11,552
    Thanked: 3795
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    I doubt that Dictum knows more about the Shapton abrasives than Shapton does.

    From Shapton...

    Shapton-engineered abrasives are available in extremely uniform particle matrices. A .92 micron (#16000) Shapton abrasive has a uniformity of +/- .01 microns. This level of uniformity does not occur in nature and is unmatched by competing products. Shapton's 29.4 micron (#500) is used to quickly form geometry. The .49 micron (#30,000), on the other hand, is used to polish surfaces into a resilient, high mirror finish. Shapton's precise uniformity ensures the consistency of these scratch patterns. Natural stones and competing man-made stones do not exhibit this level of uniformity.

  10. #7
    Senior Member blabbermouth
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    17,334
    Thanked: 3228

    Default

    That is a German site so could there be a translation miscue from German to English in what they are trying to say?

    Bob
    ScottGoodman likes this.
    Life is a terminal illness in the end

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to BobH For This Useful Post:

    tinkersd (02-10-2017)

  12. #8
    Previously lost, now "Pasturized" kaptain_zero's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
    Posts
    1,333
    Thanked: 351

    Default

    That sentence is NOT saying that the 16K Shapton Glass hone is made from *mixed* grits (Baltic Hand Tools site). It is a typical computer translation (google style translation) of one language to another where grammar rules are different. As I don't speak the original language, I can't say for sure exactly what they are talking about, but I did live in Europe for 13 years and I know that German grammar puts words in a different order than English.

    It looks like they are trying to make some point about progression from low grit to high grit, but I'm not quite sure what they are talking about.

    Rest assured, Shapton uses a carefully graded grit in each hone... though I do recall reading that they have some glass hones made specifically for tougher steels, or perhaps it was for carbon steel tools?!?!? It would still be single grit, just a different material for the grit and perhaps a different binder.

    From that Baltic Hand Tools site we have:
    In blade sharpening tests there was nonoticeable difference in sharpness betweena jump 2000 to 16.000 (mixed grit) anda standard sharpening procedure.
    As Utopian points out... ALWAYS go to the horses mouth, as in the Manufacturer.... Websites are not written by skilled woodworkers or razor honers, they are written by web designers and marketing departments. One can only hope a person with knowledge, took the time to read the web page, and in this case, I suspect it's simply a fast and dirty computer translation proof read by a native speaking craftsman who has a poor grasp of the foreign language. Dictum (the business) may have a solid reputation, but Dictum is just a name on a piece of paper used for creating a business entity, not an all knowing, all seeing super craftsman.

    Anyone who has suffered through "Chinglish" manuals knows what I mean when I say "computer translation", which ranks right up there with "spell checking". You may have spelled the word "two" correctly, but when you meant "too", spell checking doesn't really help much.

    Regards

    Kaptain "Grammar grouch" Zero
    "Aw nuts, now I can't remember what I forgot!" --- Kaptain "Champion of lost causes" Zero

  13. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kaptain_zero For This Useful Post:

    JimmyHAD (02-09-2017), tinkersd (02-10-2017)

  14. #9
    The Great & Powerful Oz onimaru55's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Bodalla, NSW
    Posts
    15,638
    Thanked: 3751

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    "Everything that you read on the internet is neither true nor accurate or has been plagiarised from another site"

    ~ Abraham Lincoln
    ..............
    Lynn, gssixgun, BobH and 2 others like this.
    The white gleam of swords, not the black ink of books, clears doubts and uncertainties and bleak outlooks.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •