Thread: Fake hones, how common are they?

I've gotten stones from takeshi. They seem legit to me. I can't remember, but I recall that he gets at least some of his stones from imanishi? He doesn't actually sell that many stones labeled as Nakayama. As stephan said, sellers who are just trying to get a few extra bucks will call every stone they get "nakayama" - happens here, happens in japan. Even if you say "nakayama?" and pretend you're not implying anything, it will draw views. Takeshi has a legitimate mix of what's available now, and a maruka stone from time to time, but much more wakasa, takashima, shoubu, etc.

Even the stones that have fake stamps are often good. It'd be lovely if someone made a list of rules of thumb for what's worth a lot. There are some things that drive me up a wall (one is western sellers trying to sell narrow stones for very close to the price of wide ones), but I'm not sure if I could make an instructive list. There probably is one somewhere - maybe on here? but reading it is still subjective. You sort of have to look at stones to see what's valuable, and you'll eventually sort of see yay or nay (just like anything else).

I still think they're great, though, and my satisfaction with them has been so far beyond what I got out of coticules that I've bought and used, except for a single coticule that was a pearl and I shouldn't have sold (it still came up short of all of my decent japanese stones).

Its not à fake stone ...

Ask Doorsch < this men know me .

I never sell fake stone ...

I exchange this Escher with a friend. This one has to stick a grip 3m to keep the stone fixed to the box. Simply because he does not know how to sharpen stone in hand. So with the grip it can remove the stone easily. Doorsch knows me on French forum he knows I have good stone. Now I have accepted the dismissal. But I do not accept that have said that I cut a stones to steal people.

I also do research ... here is a stone at a very well known seller of e. Bay. Then this stone is not glued so it is a fake stone? Tom you see on the left a visibly green thuringian (?) And on the right an Escher. Be the same as yours ...

And Here my Stone thuringian in Wooden box .

The blue thuringian and à green thuringian ....i know all my Stone .

I'm not trying to demystify just to tell you that I could just pick it up. But the idea of ​​the 3m grip is for me a very good alternative when you do not know sharp box. Tom answers me by mail please

Regardless of whether a specific stone is authentic or not: I do believe that there is so much money to be made from a single stone that it is a tempting venture. People make false wine bottle labels, so I imagine somewhere, someone is making escher labels as well.

Same with the certificates for pre-ban elephant ivory. Same with paintings.
Anything that is rare, expensive, and natural (so with a lot of variation between individual pieces) is a target for counterfeiting.

I fully agree with you. Except that I do not make fakes. And still less sell fake to a member here or elsewhere ... I built my "notoriety" by my seriousness and the quality of my stones. After I will see with Tom to repay it because I have an open dispute ... damage between amateur and regrettable between member. It does not stick with my principles. Tom says may be true because ultimately no one knows but there is a simpler way between people in a good way. Everything will go in order

Let me clarify a couple of things. I never revealed who I purchased this item from, and never discussed it with anyone on this forum. If I felt that the seller had intentionally mislead me, then I would have had no issue doing so to protect other members.
However, I believe that the seller acted in good faith. I think that he did not realize the stone was not authentic, and was mislead as well by the original seller. I, of course, have no way of proving this. But what I can prove is that the stone I received is not a thuringian.
Secondly, the seller has agreed to allow the stone to be returned. Furthering my belief that he does not believe that he sold anything other than a genuine Escher.
Lastly, I also purchased a coticule from this same seller in the same transaction. I am extremely happy with this stone and am glad to have it. I know that there remain great stones in his collection for sale.

I did not intend for this thread to be an indictment on anyone's honesty or character. I merely wanted to ask more experienced members how common it was for people to sell fake stones (intentionally or otherwise). The result to the consumer is the same.

You are entirely right Tom. You do not call me the seller. But I am the seller :-) and since I have nothing to hide from you or the other members it is normal that I intervene not because I am the seller but well because I am a lover of stones too. I just wanted to understand why the fact that the stone is with a 3m grip is a problem ... any stone taken off is not false ?! I know for a fact that it is a true Thuringian. I know the stones to get +/- 500. Now it is "just" a pity that you are not happy ... My pleasure is to make people happy with their purchases ... I will however do my analysis on this stone. Know that I do not blame you I just do not like the way you proceed by blocking me the whole payment. I prefer that have remained friend

As for the 3M tape, it's not evidence that the stone has been replaced necessarily. however the chips left from the original stone being removed not matching the chips in the stone that is presently in the box is.
As for the PayPal issues. I believe discussing in more detail would likely not be within forum rules. Suffice to say that I was unaware that merely communicating through that service would have any impact other than you receiving a message from me. And for that I apologize.
As stated before, I believe you are an honest man with good stones for sale. This is merely an unfortunate occurrence and that is the risk we take buying and selling vintage natural stones