Thread: Best grit progression?

Originally Posted by BobH

To me this thread represents what I am talking about.

https://sharprazorpalace.com/honing/...ompensate.html

Bob

I’m not a special pleader for drmatt357. As a learner and observer, I find him very interesting and informational. As to the specific video you cite, it’s just another tool in the kit, as many here say. One thing I like about drmatt’s videos, they are generally well reasoned. You don’t like his stuff, fine. I’d only ask, wheres yours?

Originally Posted by Longhaultanker

I’m not a special pleader for drmatt357. As a learner and observer, I find him very interesting and informational. As to the specific video you cite, it’s just another tool in the kit, as many here say. One thing I like about drmatt’s videos, they are generally well reasoned. You don’t like his stuff, fine. I’d only ask, wheres yours?

Yes, there is more than one way to skin a cat. I too am a learner and observer and what I observed on that particular video after learning to hone myself was an unnecessarily destructive way of solving a particular problem encountered in honing. I am not saying it would not work but it is not necessary to use that destructive a method. Nothing like using an elephant gun to kill a mouse.

A link to your videos would be good.

Bob

Thanks again to all who have contributed. You all have given me much to think about and continue to reflect on whilst I learn how to hone.

Thankfully I found someone local who is willing to teach me so my next step is to buy a 1000 King as was suggested on here and then use that with my 4k/8k and go from there.

I'm tempted to splurge on more stones but I'll refrain from that until I actually know what I am doing

Originally Posted by bluesman7

PHI Start looking, and you'll start seeing it everywhere. 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21

Fibonacci!

Originally Posted by RezDog

I use a Naniwa progression. 1, 4, 8, 10 or 12, and a natural finisher. Depending on the natural I am going to, I may choose to stop at the 8 or 10. I think going to the 12 and then a natural is sometimes going backwards. Also a lot of blades don’t have as smooth of a feel if you spend a lot of time with a lot of hones over 8K. I did for a while shave off of my Norton 8K and got wonderful shaves. I still bust it out every now and again. You really should feel free to experiment and decide what you like the best. Jumping around a lot can make it complicated. The recommended method I started with was gong to the 8K and hangingvout with it until I was getting all I could from it and then getting another hone and holding there until it was all working. At some point I went on a buying spree and I have several hones that I have never really learned well

There's a 4k Naniwa? I see a 3k and 5k only.

Nope, there is not a Naniwa 4K. It’s a 3K. That was an error on my part. Apparently I am terrible at proof reading before I post. I will go back and edit that.

I guess I will not edit that post. It looks like you only have a certain amount of time to fix errors before it is forever cast in stone on the inter web.

Good advice here from all the guys.
Most new honers think the edge of the razor is fragile. It is not.
You can use some pressure while working on the 1k then lighten up gradually on each stone.
By the time you reach the 8k the pressure should be only the weight of the razor.

The other item to remember is to keep the edge on the stone for the full length of the stroke.
I apply a bit of twist/torque to the tang to accomplish this.

The best way to describe this is to think in terms of street drag racing.
As you accelerate, the front end ( edge of the razor) wants to lift. You have to keep that edge down on the stone.

Hope this helps.


Just my 2¢

Norton stones: 1, 4, 8, <finisher of your choice if not satisfied with 8k edge>

Naniwa: 1, 3 and/or 5, 8, 10 or 12 (both are likely not needed), <finishing stone of your choice>. I think there's a solid argument for 1,3,5, 10 or 12. Naniwa might just have too many options...

Shapton Pro: 1, 2, 5, 12 <finisher of your choice>

Shapton Glass: 2, 4, 8, 16 <finisher of your choice>

King: 1, 3, 6, 8 <finisher of your choice>

You'll probably notice 2 patterns. Typically you can get away with 3 to 4 stones and maybe a finisher if you're not happy stopping and shaving off your last hone, and all progressions end at roughly the same place 8 to 12K. Considering the final stone is where the rubber meets the road, everything prior to it is somewhat inconsequential as all roads lead to Rome.

Everyone will have their 'pet' brand preference, and reasoning behind it. Some will like King because they're comparatively cheap and work well enough, some will like Shapton because they're aggressive, fast, and notoriously diligent in quality control (making sure their grit is very uniform), Naniwa users seem to love the feel of the stones and their performance is hard to beat, I'm a fan of Norton's simple 3 hone progression, and some people are perfectly happy with a soft/medium/hard Arkansas progression or just a single coticule.

'Best' is in the eye of the beer holder.

Originally Posted by RezDog

Nope, there is not a Naniwa 4K. It’s a 3K. That was an error on my part. Apparently I am terrible at proof reading before I post. I will go back and edit that.

I guess I will not edit that post. It looks like you only have a certain amount of time to fix errors before it is forever cast in stone on the inter web.

Ok, so no 4k. I have a norton 4/8 that is actually getting a little thin from all of the lapping its seen. Actually, only the gritty ass 4k side is thinning out. What would you folks recommend if I were to replace it with a nanimwai? 3k or 5k? The jump from 1k to 3k seems like there won't be much difference leaving a lot between 3 and 8. But is 1k to 5k too much of a leap. I'm thinking a little slurry on that 5k would probably help it along. Thoughts?

My suggestion would be 3k. I'd rather remove 3k stria with an 8k stone than 1k stria with a 5k. And slurry on the 5k would just lead to more wear than necessary imo. Also food for though, Naniwa's combination stone is 3/8, it's likely not as big a jump as it sounds.