Thread: Shapton Ceramic on Tempered Glass or somthing else? Please give advice!!!

The DMT D8C 325 is your best bet for an economical diamond lapping plate. The more expensive Shapton is also 325. I have both and the Shapton is a bit more convenient because of the segmented construction. You don't have to worry about stiction while lapping. I lap in the kitchen sink under running water so the stiction on the D8C isn't a problem and it does as good a job as its more expensive counterpart IMHO. Dia Sharp, the maker of the DMT plates, recommends lapping waterstones with no higher a grit than the 325, and under running water. Otherwise you will damage the plate. As for the Shapton glass. I prefer the Naniwa super stones but that is just a matter of apples and oranges.

The reason i was looking at the shapton stones is.. My ice bear stone is extremely soft and well i shouldn't have got it.
So ..i'm worried about getting a stone that will cause the same problems.

The naniwa stone are clay aren't they like my current king range? how do they compare to the Norton stones?

One thing that worries me about the shapton stones is there height... 10mm is nothing

Originally Posted by Brighty83

The reason i was looking at the shapton stones is.. My ice bear stone is extremely soft and well i shouldn't have got it.
So ..i'm worried about getting a stone that will cause the same problems.

The naniwa stone are clay aren't they like my current king range? how do they compare to the Norton stones?

One thing that worries me about the shapton stones is there height... 10mm is noting

Well being in Australia you can find the naniwas that are 20mm thick with no base. IIRC the binder is polymer in the super stones. Not sure about the glass stones. I wouldn't say the naniwas are soft. I have no experience with the ice bear. I mainly use the nortons in the single grit 4 and 8 k. They are 1" thick and plenty durable for razors. The Shapton professionals are 15mm thick with no base and very good stones. OTOH, I don't know anyone who has worn out a shapton glass honing razors.

I agree with Jimmy . The 325 DMT will survive lapping better than the 600 or you can use an Atoma 1200. The pimpled design prevents stiction unless you build a big slurry & that won't happen if you do it under running water.

I really like the Shapton GS. They will retain their shape much longer than the Kings you have. You might just need to lap that Ice Bear a whole lot more.

PS both Shapton & Naniwa are modern ceramic stones not clay based.

Originally Posted by SharpMan

There is a new
DMT XXC which is a bigger plate(10/4), that has certified flatness and has a
hardcoat technology which makes it last much longer. It costs 170USD at
chef knives to go. It's called dmt diaflat, check youtube.

Arrggghhh ! Why did you have to tell me that ? Now I need one .

lol
i have found it here DMT Dia Flat Lapping Plate 10"x4", dmt dia-flat diamond lapping plate but there is no buy option!!! (out of stock) Is that the page you were talking about?

So honest opinion's

Jimmy, you said you like the Naniwa stones but you use the Norton stones lol

I'm going nuts here lol I'm so confused as to what to get.

Originally Posted by Brighty83

So honest opinion's

Jimmy, you said you like the Naniwa stones but you use the Norton stones lol

I'm going nuts here lol I'm so confused as to what to get.

I started with the nortons and then moved to shapton pros. Later I switched to the naniwas. After a couple of years of going back and forth between them, I sold the pro and naniwa sets because I found I just liked the nortons feel and feedback. The shaptons or the naniwas were as good in terms of results. Someone else might like the feel and feedback of one set better than another. Just a matter of taste. I use a chosera 1k for setting bevels when I need to do that and an escher to finish. Just what I ended up liking best after experimenting with different stones. If I would have chosen any of the sets fore mentioned I would be fine.

wow you have had some hones, are the Naniwas harder then the nortons?

Just a thought. How fragile are the Shapton's? Also I'd love to have some input from the honemeister's of Lynn, Max, and Glen. How much of a difference do you see with the 16000 and 30000 Shapton in use? I guess I'm wondering if you feel they make a significant improvement in sharpness levels. How often do you use them? Do you favor them on certain blades etc???

Thanks
Paul