Thread: Naniwa 12K after a Coticule, to improve edges that are good but not great?

I have yet to find a razor that has not benefitted from a few laps on the Naniwa 12k. Yes, I like coticule edges, infact some of my edges remain untouched coticule edges, but the Naniwa does seem to give it that little bit "extra". Plus, it depends on how I feel like honing: 50-100 coti laps vs 10-15 on the Nani.

From money and consistency standpoints you can't go wrong by having a Naniwa 12k in your honing arsenal.

I'm a big fan of coticule edges, as most of you guys no. i still like using paste and the odd differant hone. i will work and work on my coticule to get there. Some times latley i have thought the same as ryan . time and laps . i have a 10k naniwa . Now lets say i hone a razor on coticule and i'm not quite where i want to be colse but not close enough, to my standard. i do another 50 laps on coticule and there is not enought improvemant, then anothe 100 laps for example. still the same . 10 to 20 laps on 10k or 12k naniwa will get me there. then 30 on coticule will give me coti edge . So my answer to your post is yes the 10 or 12k naniwa will do the job very well as in between or last hone in my experiance and save time. a good progression would be coti dilucot , then finish on 10 or 12k naniwa folowed by paste or coti or just as it is at the final hone . Te reason i posted to this is i have been doing just that and it does work .

gary

Thats an interesting idea Gary, revisit the coti after the Naniwa.

My coticule is kind of my all purpose always works finisher. I've never met a coticule finished edge I didn't like to shave with but you can do better. I'll use my Escher for a definite upgrade and the Shapton 30K Glass also. Then of course thereos always the pasted strops too.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

My coticule is kind of my all purpose always works finisher. I've never met a coticule finished edge I didn't like to shave with but you can do better. I'll use my Escher for a definite upgrade and the Shapton 30K Glass also. Then of course thereos always the pasted strops too.

Agree 100% I have a couple of "Go To" Coticules, but I'm a tough critic. I feel the edge can always be better.
The Escher is a fantastic finisher, hands down, my personal favorite, and normally the first line of defense for a degrading razor.

But, I am spoiled. SRD's Hard Wool Felt with .50 Diamond Spray is a must. Any edge can be improved with 10 lapps on it. It just takes your blade to the next level.

I just honed up a DD GE the other day, It's ugly, but it's a DD GE....It's got some pitting, some staining, but it doesn't matter, If you've used one, you understand. I honed it up on the Coticules, it was good, but it wasn't great.
I used the Wool Felt with .50. and it's "Shavana"

Might be something in the alloy of the second-level razors that the coti won't cut.

If they refuse to yield to anything, make a balsa hone with 0.25 micron diamond or green chromium oxide (0.5).

Nice fine grained carbon steel should yield to natural stones nicely, but as far as I know, there are no carbides that diamonds and green stuff won't cut.

All of my naturals are particular about the steels that are used, at least when it comes to woodworking tools. Never paid that much attention with razors.

Great replies guys, I'm learning loads. What is interesting is that tonight I took one of the 2nd grade razors, dulled it on a bottle then reset the bevel with my King 1000 then moved straight onto the 6000, then finished ve it it on my dragons tongue. I then tried to improve the edge with a C12K (PHIG) but it dulled slightly. Then I went back to the DT and got it back to where it had been. I have just test shaved and it was sharper than it had been from the coticule but the edge was not as smooth and I have very slight burn.

Before I shave with it next I shall give it a dozen or so laps on my coti 1st and see what that does.

I'm still tempted by the Naniwa but in the meantime I'll explore this method.

i've used just that rich, i've gone .5 diamond spray followed up with 10 laps on crox spray and gave a real nice edge .

Originally Posted by Jeltz

Thats an interesting idea Gary, revisit the coti after the Naniwa.

there is a lot of chaps that go to coti after 8k so why not after 10k. its similar thing to 1k 4k 8k 10 k and natural coti thury or what have you.

Originally Posted by gary haywood

there is a lot of chaps that go to coti after 8k so why not after 10k. its similar thing to 1k 4k 8k 10 k and natural coti thury or what have you.

+1. Some hones will get a blade sharper, but very few (if any) other hones will leave a blade as smooth as a coticule.