Thread: Bevel setting issue in the middle

Test shaved this morning, WTG went well, no pulling and removed hair.
ATG was pulling and not comfortable. Sooo we go at it again one of this days ...
First will try one of my easier razors, to keep me motivated

Originally Posted by Mikali

First will try one of my easier razors, to keep me motivated

That is EXACTLY what I do

I will mess with a problem razor for no more than 3 attempts at a bevel set, then it goes to the back of the line up and I hone a few more, keeps me motivated and happy

Here I am again
Finally managed to have an even "wave" in front of the edge on the 1K.
It also pops 1 hair on the arm at all 3 points.
Also the TNT feels smooth and digs in. This make me THINK the bevel is set, however there is no undercut, only the "puddle" of water moving evenly.
So when is it ok to proceed to the next shapton stone? I've read and watched a lot and there is the undercut and there is the "suction" feeling that should tell the progression.
Are both indicators required on the 1K or at a later stage?

you should be experiencing suction if both blade and hone are aligned perfectly...i think you should not be expecting suction...

I'd be interested in hearing about the necessity of under cutting water and suction while honing. In all honesty I have never felt suction while honing and only occasionally see under cutting of water myself.

Bob

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is EXACTLY what I do

I will mess with a problem razor for no more than 3 attempts at a bevel set, then it goes to the back of the line up and I hone a few more, keeps me motivated and happy

Originally Posted by BobH

I'd be interested in hearing about the necessity of under cutting water and suction while honing. In all honesty I have never felt suction while honing and only occasionally see under cutting of water myself.
Bob

1: it's good to hear I'm not the only one
2: how do you then know when to progress? As far as my logic tells me, there isn't a fixed number of strokes as every razor is different, as is every stone ...

If the bevel is set, then each progression is done with a loupe.
Look at the scratch marks on the edge, after the 1000 bevel setting...alls even? If so, next stone. Hone till all you see are the scratches from that hone, then next stone., so on so on.
Till your thru all the stones.

About as simple as I can explain it. It gets easier with experience, and time.
And above all, Have fun, experiment, have patience.

Just like a new born, we rock, we stand, we toddle n fall, before we can walk, let alone run. Sounds as you've got your feet well under you, and are taking your first steps quite well, so it won't be long before your running thru the house.

Keep at it, and know your limitations. [emoji106]

Originally Posted by outback

If the bevel is set, then each progression is done with a loupe.
Look at the scratch marks on the edge, after the 1000 bevel setting...alls even? If so, next stone. Hone till all you see are the scratches from that hone, then next stone., so on so on.
Till your thru all the stones.
[emoji106]

When the blade is not straight and has a bit of smile o it it cannot make full contact with a perfecty fat stone so water might sip in in some areas...between the blade and stone. you should still be able to se a small wave sign in front of the contact area.

Also you cant expect vave sine as positive as with a straight edge razor....less mettal touches the hone at one time and friction is less...

Suction pops up when the balde and hone are in intimate contact and drag is dramaticaly increased.

Anyway...there are objective methods of testing. iw you got and edge of the bevel setter.

- saphire marker and loupe...check the edge under magnification and as outback said make sure the scratch marks go all the way to the edge.
- look at the blde edge in various light angles and see that it does not reflect light...a rounded edge or a dull spot reflect light...also a wire edge.
- i usualy test by shaving arm hair after the 1k although few ppl agree to the "bald hand" technique

After you start progresion i think outback put it pretty clearly ... just erase the previous scratch marks without creating a wire edge...dull spot etc.

Hair cutting ability usualy improves to hair poppig at 2-5k and treatoping hairs upwards of 8k.... positive HHt should b expected also after a well honed north of 8k.

my 2 cens.

Originally Posted by Mikali

1: it's good to hear I'm not the only one
2: how do you then know when to progress? As far as my logic tells me, there isn't a fixed number of strokes as every razor is different, as is every stone ...

I am only curious about the under cutting and suction being necessary because I still get good smooth 4 pass shaves for my self off the razors I hone for myself. I set a bevel and hone as outback suggests.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

I am only curious about the under cutting and suction being necessary because I still get good smooth 4 pass shaves for my self off the razors I hone for myself. I set a bevel and hone as outback suggests.

Bob

So you are using the scratch pattern as a guidance for your progression then ?