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    I will check out the pics you linked. Thanks for that. I wish i could buy a kick-ass microscope like you have but sense its only for my own razors, i cant come up with those type of funds. But i do hope to see your microscope someday and see what you see. I will use mine more! Im far from being satisfied with my edge. But its mainly because i want perfection. And i havent been on the stones long enough for that. Ha.

    I thank all the folks here that share the details and i want to learn more. Its such a fine line im trying to cross right now its a little frustrating. My edges are good, and shave well, but i want more of the comfort that i manage to find now and then. I will get there. And i want to hear more about this. These details are missed some times.
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    I see in the pics, your not looking straight down on the edge. As in splitting the two bevels with the edge. This is what ive been trying to do. I will give this "at an angle" look a try. When i do get bevel set i dont see these shinny spots. This is one and mainly the only reason i use my loupe. I do check for this, but i will start looking more at stria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottGoodman View Post
    I have been doing this for years. At first it was up to 16k on the Shapton GS stones, now its up to 20k on the Gok...then to yg escher. Smooths the edge out.

    I dont like arkies, but do have a mostly retired huge Charnley Forest. To soften that edge, you need a sedimentary stone IMO. I have tried slurrying ceramic stones and they dont break down right...too hard.

    Pro tip: you can actually use a escher slurry stone on the G20 to almost get the same edge as going to a real full size escher/thuringian.
    Scott,
    You broke my heart when you said you don't like Arkies. Next you will say you don't like Chevy's. Seriously though you don't have to like what I do. :-) I would have to say that Arkansas stones are VERY difficult to master as you have to pay attention to so many moving variables like surface prep, pressure (not enough and it may not cut-too much and you make a weak edge-just right you get a smooth comfortable edge like a Thuri), honing medium and viscosity, etc... but when you have mastered them they are some excellent edges.
    A thuringian, I am finding, is a hone that gives me everything I ever wanted without the difficulty. Going from an all Arkansas system that I used for years to using a Hohenzollern Y/G thuringian was amazing. It is like training for an Olympic event and then competing at a high school level.
    Thanks for the tip of the slurry on the 20K, I will have to give that a try while I still have a GOK to use.
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    Arkies are slow and almost as cantankerous as coti's. I simply like the speed and consistancy of the shaptons, with that "perfect to me" escher edge. I have tried a LOT of stones, and know how to use most all of them. Only reason my big ole Charnley is still with me as it was my first natural finisher and its amazing to look at and use...but its as slow as could be even though it produces an amazing "crisp" edge on a razor. By the time I "finish" a food ole W&B on it...I will have been able to hone a whole other razor start to finish.
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    “I wish i could buy a kick-ass microscope like you have but sense its only for my own razors, i cant come up with those type of funds. But i do hope to see your microscope someday and see what you see.”

    Naw, those pics were taken with an old cheap $30 Veho USB scope. I only use it when teaching so we are looking at the same thing and to document an issue on an edge.

    Honing with a scope is a pain in the butt. For honing I use a $2 60x lighted loupe or a $10 hand held 60-100X Carson Micro-brite. They are cheap, quick and easy to use. It is just a quick look.

    The problem that most folks have is understanding what they are seeing and understanding, what they should be looking for.

    I do look straight down on the edge, it may not have been when I took the photos, and pretty sure the pic was only at 60X, so you can easily see what I see.

    What I do is twist the razor back and forth, so you are looking straight down on the edge and a few degrees on either side to try to get the light to reflect on any spot where the bevels are not meeting. The last photo is straight down on the edge.

    It is really pretty simple, set the bevel, fully set the bevel, then just remove all the 1k stria with a 4, and all the 4 with an 8 and all the 8 with your finisher, or replace the numbers with what ever your progression is. The trick, is to hone, to the edge with each stone, because most razors are not perfectly flat or straight and it is not as easy as rubbing the razor on the stone.

    You do not have to constantly look at the edge with magnification. Look at it when you think you are ready to move up, make sure you are honing to the edge, that you have removed the previous grits stria, (at least at the edge), and that the bevels are still meeting. That’s all, just a quick look. If all three of those things have not occurred, do a few more laps and alter your stroke so they do.

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    I was raised as a Chevy guy, but, I've been driving Nissan for over 20 years now.

    I just started a new thread and posted pics using my cheap USB microscope. I went back to 2K just to be sure the bevel was set. It looked good but I didn't think of saving pics until after that step.

    2k, 3k, 5k, 8k, 20K, Ark and strop. Didn't get a pic of each step but most. So you can see what I am doing and make comments. The edge feels great with TPT and it grabs arm hair but shave test will wait till tomorrow afternoon. I'm open for any comments on the pics. Well, don't comment on how bad my pics are. I spent only 50 bucks on this tool.
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