Thread: Bevel with a blue Belgian?

Originally Posted by du212

a dream of stone, today it's almost impossible to obtain those sizes in new stones . Keep it well

it isn't really needed to get a stone that big I have a 120*30 stone and it works wonders


kind regards
Stijn

Originally Posted by geruchtemoaker

it isn't really needed to get a stone that big I have a 120*30 stone and it works wonders


kind regards
Stijn

I didn't want to say that it's not possible to sharpen a razor with a smaller stone (my coticules are smaller than 8"x3") . My post is to remark the uniqueness of the big coticules because the quarry is finished.

You didn't need to put my post under quotes, your comments are independent of it IMNSHO

Originally Posted by 111Nathaniel

In theory you could get a better edge off the Blue then the coti because of the characteristics of the stone but it would take many many (a lot of) strokes, and it wouldn't make much difference.

I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't know why. Would you clarify/explain please?

1K stones are generally so cheap that its silly not to have one (or equivalent. I have an 800 grit King for example).

If I were going to decide to do all my honing on a coti, Id have a 1k as a back up for damaged or stubborn edges, or maybe just do all my bevel setting on the 1k and use for coti for 3K to finish.

To remove chips on a coti I am certain IS possible, just as one could empty a bath using a pipette. The arguement of honing is enjoyable needs to be balanced with time. For a small investment, a 1k can be purchased that could very well save what would otherwise take hours if not days amongst several razors. Time is money....

You got it perfect.

Originally Posted by Scipio

To remove chips on a coti I am certain IS possible, just as one could empty a bath using a pipette. The argument of honing is enjoyable needs to be balanced with time. For a small investment, a 1k can be purchased that could very well save what would otherwise take hours if not days amongst several razors. Time in money....

BINGO.

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't know why. Would you clarify/explain please?

Actually i read it in the wiki, and from another site, Here's a quote from the wiki:

"This also means that the edge of the Blue with its larger garnets is even less jagged than that of the Coticule, a capacity that explains the higher level of keenness left by the Blue with slurry than that left by the Coticule with slurry"

The Blue has less garnet crystals but they are bigger and there facets are also larger which refines the edge even smoother. I haven't proven it my self but it sounds logical (in theory).

Here's Bart's full quote from one of his threads from which the wiki info is from:

Controversial, but I stand by it: Belgian hones don't lend their unique properties form a very fine grit rate. They are unrivaled because they leave such shallow scratch patterns, left by their round honing garnets that create a wavy surface. As a result the edge is far less jagged than that of many synthetic hones. This also means that the edge of the Blue with its larger garnets is even less jagged than that of the Coticule, a capacity that explains the higher level of keeness left by the Blue with slurry than that left by the Coticule with slurry. I will elaborate on that in a thread I plan on posting next week. (http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...tml#post281795)

Hope this Helps Holli4pirating,
Nathaniel.

Makes sense IF

A) You are talking about honing with slurry, not just water
B) You assume the garnets can't break down

When diluting on a coti/BBW, I ilke to finish with just water. And the garnets do break down. So I'm still not sure I understand.

Oh i agree BIG IF, and there also inconsistent natural stones so in reality theres no way to tell, but in theory its nice to think about.

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

Makes sense IF

A) You are talking about honing with slurry, not just water
B) You assume the garnets can't break down

When diluting on a coti/BBW, I ilke to finish with just water. And the garnets do break down. So I'm still not sure I understand.

Sorry to say holli4pirating Coticule GARNETS DOESN'T BREAK down.

Originally Posted by 111Nathaniel

"This also means that the edge of the Blue with its larger garnets is even less jagged than that of the Coticule, a capacity that explains the higher level of keenness left by the Blue with slurry than that left by the Coticule with slurry"

In fact if you pay attention above statement it is misconception.
i don't have better word to use .
Keenness of the edge means sharpness of the edge is that correct?
if yes then how in the world above statement will make sense?


The Blue has less garnet crystals but they are bigger and there facets are also larger which refines the edge even smoother. I haven't proven it my self but it sounds logical (in theory). [/QUOTE]
Same consept Larger garnets refines smoother?[/QUOTE]
Excuse me?
just think a little about this and if anyone could explain i would appreciate?

Here's Bart's full quote from one of his threads from which the wiki info is from:

Controversial, but I stand by it: Belgian hones don't lend their unique properties form a very fine grit rate. They are unrivaled because they leave such shallow scratch patterns, left by their round honing garnets that create a wavy surface. As a result the edge is far less jagged than that of many synthetic hones. This also means that the edge of the Blue with its larger garnets is even less jagged than that of the Coticule, a capacity that explains the higher level of keeness left by the Blue with slurry than that left by the Coticule with slurry. I will elaborate on that in a thread I plan on posting next week. (http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...tml#post281795)

In here at least OP understand this is Controversial i leave it a lone..

Hope this Helps Holli4pirating,
Nathaniel.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Sorry to say holli4pirating Coticule GARNETS DOESN'T BREAK down.

From talking with Randy, I was under the impression that they do.