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    I thought I'd report back on how it went. There's some really important stuff in a couple of the replies above. Lynn seems to sum things up in just a few words. He said "...I actually find that there are 2 or more bevels and I need to do more circles to get it down to one nice consistent bevel across the entire blade..." and onimaru55 said "...Personally I'd be on a 1 k or lower with kickstarting wedges but be patient & keep at it with the 4k if that's all you have..."

    Well, 2 or more bevels? More like 4 or 5 I had from what I could see when I looked really closely. The texta (magic marker) was actually hiding some of what I saw when I DIDN'T use the texta. Maybe I'll draw a diagram later to describe the problems. Onimara55 was also right when he talked about popping hairs before proceeding; I was too wrapped up in pyramids. In regard to 1k or lower, I didn't have one. I spent maybe 2.5 hours doing circles, laps, etc. I got a bit bored with that and decided I needed a 1k hone. I can't afford one so wrapped some 1600 wet and dry sandpaper around the top of the Norton, wet it and tried to set the bevel on that. It worked! I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but it worked for me. Within two to five minutes the bevel was set and looking much more even. I then did sets of 20 on the 4k, testing shaving leg hair after each set. I'm not sure how many were needed, it's immaterial really, I just kept going until I could shave leg hair easily. I then did 100 laps on the 8k.

    My theory was to set the bevel, then polish to 8k and then polish to 4k. I'm being a bit of a heretic and moving away from the pyramid idea. After all, if you're polishing a razor using wet and dry or a wheel, do you go back and forward? No, you polish out all you can with one level before moving to the next, you don't go back and create 4k scratches after spending time buffing them out with an 8k paper, etc.

    Anyway, that's just me thinking aloud. After I did 100 on the 8k I did 20 on the Shapton 16k. I tested it on leg hair, wasn't happy,so did an aggressive pyramid, followed by 20 on the Shapton (yes, I know I said I was moving away from the pyramid idea, but I did this anyway).

    The razor now feels good to the TPT, tomorrow's shave will tell, you'll have to wait till then to find out, as will I. It also looks good, too :-)...
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    I've been reading and re-reading this post. I wanted to make sure you knew that adding tape would not make your bevel any wider. If you started with a freshly buffed blade, and put 3 or more layers of tape on it, you'd have a very thin, very stout little bevel. Good luck on the shave test!

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    Hi regularjoe,
    Yes, I do realise adding layers of tape will increase the steepness of the angle and thereby have an effect on the wideness of the bevel. I'm not overly fussed about a wide bevel; I just want a clean, even, SHARP bevel! :-) The edge was not very narrow to start with, and has not increased in width all that much. The test shave this morning was still not good, but it was a little better than before. It is clear to me at this stage that I really needed a courser method to set the bevel right from the beginning, and that possibly a few attempts had been done previously. I think I would have had to hone on the 4k for a very, very long time to clean up that edge. I guess on a razor this old (possibly as old at 1882) it may have been honed by a few people who may have used different methods. Using the 1600 wet and dry quickly removed the multiple angles on the bevel; I was surprised at how quickly. I've never had to REALLY set a bevel before, even when I purposely dulled two razors for the JaNorton challenge I wasn't really setting the bevel on the 4k, just slightly re-instating it.

    As this morning's shave was still lacking, I have some options:
    • 1. Sell the razor and pass it off as a bad experience. Of course the razor is NOT at fault, but my honing skills are still new
    • 2. Buy a 1k hone and set the bevel using that and continue
    • 3. Set the bevel again using the 1600 wet and dry, though I know that's a bodgy method
    • 4. Send the razor away to be honed.


    I think what I'll do is option 3. I can't afford a 1k hone, really, for possibly a single use. I'll re-hone Friday night and over the weekend if needed and see how I go. I think the closest honemeister is in Sydney. At the end of the day, I don't intend to get many more razors, and do not envisage setting bevels into the future. Therefore if I get a 1k hone, I still may end up with a dull razor (due to inexperience) but if I send it away I'll probably pay around the same amount as a hone (depending on how much work needs to be done) and get a guaranteed sharp razor that I can keep in good shape with my Norton 4/8 and Shapton 16k.

    Thanks everyone for all the advice.
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    Thanks for the update. I've used some unorthodox methods too, but I'm not a honemeister or working on anybody elses razors, so I'll give something a shot if i think it will work. I for one appreciate your honesty about using the wet/dry sand paper, I did the same thing before I got a 1000k and it worked. Have fun thats what its all about. Every day's a learning experience and the day I stop learning is the day I'm six foot under. Let us know how the next honing session goes.

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    Carl, if you get no joy, send me the razor & I'll set the bevel for you . You can do the rest. Just pay postage both ways as I'm broke too
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    Hi twogun. Thanks for the comment re my honesty! Yeah, I was brave, wasn't I? There's probably a bunch of people saying "He did WHAT, the idiot!!!"

    Hi onimaru55. Thanks, that's much appreciated, you may have gathered when I said about a honemeister in Sydney I was thinking of you! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider View Post
    Hi onimaru55. Thanks, that's much appreciated, you may have gathered when I said about a honemeister in Sydney I was thinking of you! :-)
    I'm flattered to be in your thoughts Carl
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    This is where I'm up to at the moment...

    http://straightrazorpalace.com/shave...tml#post931590
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    Yep, i have a Depew' also and ran in to the same problems.. I got a 3.00 loupe from sleazebay and saw some edge nibbles. So i put it on a 1k and was on it like a fat kid on a doughnut.... It squared up and now it is a permanent part of the rotation.

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    So adding tape is not an option you will entertain or recognize. lol. Good luck friend.

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