Thread: Escher makes edge worse after Norton 8k...why?

Originally Posted by Tim Zowada

I suggest lapping both your 8K and Escher.

Lapping is not so much about keeping things flat, as it is about exposing fresh abrasive. I usually lap my Eschers with 2000 grit Silicon Carbide sand paper.

Tim Z.

But then again if the stone is dished how do you get a straight bevel? If the stone is dished the bevel will be convex, you end up with a "u" rather than a "v".

BTW I do agree that the stone(s) may need lapped.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

I wonder?????? 10 strokes on CroOX???????

I doubt it... Chromium Oxide won't do much for an edge that's not there yet. Unless you have a proper bevel already set, anything finer than 4000 grit will take forever and a half to give you a proper edge and I have yet to hear of someone who set the bevel and got a shave-ready razor from scratch by using only pastes, regardless of the grit (could be proven wrong here lol). Generally speaking, for the sake of the argument let's assume we're using Norton products, 1000 is for setting the bevel, 4000 to finish setting it with a slower cutting rate and start polishing it, 8000 is already good enough for a final polish even though higher grits give a smoother shave.

You shouldn't use chromium oxide until the edge is already shaving well and with a reasonable degree of comfort. The possibilities raised here are that the edge off the 8000 isn't as good as it should be, that one or both stones aren't flat enough and that the OP is creating a wire edge. We'll see what happens when the OP addresses all of those concerns, based on the excellent advice received here.

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

I doubt it... Chromium Oxide won't do much for an edge that's not there yet. Unless you have a proper bevel already set, anything finer than 4000 grit will take forever and a half to give you a proper edge and I have yet to hear of someone who set the bevel and got a shave-ready razor from scratch by using only pastes, regardless of the grit (could be proven wrong here lol). Generally speaking, for the sake of the argument let's assume we're using Norton products, 1000 is for setting the bevel, 4000 to finish setting it with a slower cutting rate and start polishing it, 8000 is already good enough for a final polish even though higher grits give a smoother shave.

You shouldn't use chromium oxide until the edge is already shaving well and with a reasonable degree of comfort. The possibilities raised here are that the edge off the 8000 isn't as good as it should be, that one or both stones aren't flat enough and that the OP is creating a wire edge. We'll see what happens when the OP addresses all of those concerns, based on the excellent advice received here.

That was a joke! I am very interested in this thread. I do wonder what type of razor the OP is honing. It would seem much experience with slurry would be key to success with the Escher, as Lynn suggested, if indeed the razor was great off the 8000. It would seem the only way the edge would be made worse would be if too much slurry were used?

Originally Posted by sharptonn

That was a joke! I am very interested in this thread. I do wonder what type of razor the OP is honing. It would seem much experience with slurry would be key to success with the Escher, as Lynn suggested, if indeed the razor was great off the 8000. It would seem the only way the edge would be made worse would be if too much slurry were used?

Lol now I see it. Was fuming mad (not at any SRP member) in the morning, so I was working in diminished capacity

Are you sure your hone is an actual Escher

Just a little thought, add a layer of tape after the 8000 then go to the Escher, to create a little tiny bevel to ween out the influence of the 8000. And to see exactly what your Escher gives the edge.

just a thought that might reveal something...

Nathaniel