Thread: Escher makes edge worse after Norton 8k...why?

Sounds like something Ihave gone thru. Two things or one of the things as mentioned above. If I stay away from my stones too long, you loose that sense of feel. Secondly, I have had fits with a Gold Bug here lately and have come to the conclusion that it was "restored" (not by me) and can't handle a edge over about 6K before it crumbles on the first wtg pass.

Do you use magnification to literally see what is going on with the edge?

My fail-safe that really works on every razor I own is a progression on Shapton GS's thru 16K, then to a water only y/g Escher. This edge is perfect for my face bordering crisp, but "just right" for me.

Originally Posted by shooter74743

Sounds like something Ihave gone thru. Two things or one of the things as mentioned above. If I stay away from my stones too long, you loose that sense of feel. Secondly, I have had fits with a Gold Bug here lately and have come to the conclusion that it was "restored" (not by me) and can't handle a edge over about 6K before it crumbles on the first wtg pass.

Do you use magnification to literally see what is going on with the edge?

My fail-safe that really works on every razor I own is a progression on Shapton GS's thru 16K, then to a water only y/g Escher. This edge is perfect for my face bordering crisp, but "just right" for me.

Shooter, sending you a pm about the bug

Originally Posted by heirkb

Thanks for the responses everyone.

To add some more info, it isn't flatness or honing pressure (I've tried light, very light, and no pressure). I can get pretty solid shaves off of my 8k edge, too. Again, the 8k edge is not as amazing as those perfect feeling Escher edges, but it is very smooth on the face, cuts hair easily, etc...

The issue isn't that I'm not getting anything out of the Escher. It's that the Escher is making things worse. I'm wondering what you guys would recommend I pay attention to in order to change that.

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Would it be possible for you to send your Escher to one of the professional honers and get a full evaluation of that stone to find out if the stone itself has issues? I would have difficulty faulting a genuine Escher. My guess is that there is a flaw in your technique or your progression.

JERRY
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Have you tried less strokes on the Escher ? Maybe your 8k edge is 9/10 broke & you're adding 1/10.
Might only want 5-10 strokes after 8k ?

Watch shams video on using the escher half off your hand so you have proper pressure?

I suggest lapping both your 8K and Escher.

Lapping is not so much about keeping things flat, as it is about exposing fresh abrasive. I usually lap my Eschers with 2000 grit Silicon Carbide sand paper.

Tim Z.

This seems to be a recurring theme on the forum this month. As of late, I've been using a B/G Escher. I have no trouble taking even a sub par shaver, and touching it up on the Escher like you would a Barber's hone. I generate some cutting slurry, and do sets of 20, and dilute, finishing with water, Like the one stone honing......Or come right off the 8k. I think coming off a Jnat, you'd smooth out some of the harshness....but you shouldn't have to as a rule.
I also use the Escher coming off the Shapton 16k.

I too had an issue with an Ozuku. I had it tested, turned out to be Uber Hard. I need to use a Kiita slurry on it. Funny thing is I could get a nice edge, but shaving upwards from my chin to my cheekbone, it would leave stubble. Figure that one out....

Just for the sake of experimenting, try 10 weight of the blade strokes using a very light slurry on your Escher followed by another 7-10 using only water and see if this helps you any.

Have fun

(Guess we were posting at the same time Rich.........)

Originally Posted by zib

This seems to be a recurring theme on the forum this month.

Count me as one of the recent whiners. However, the edge off of the y/g escher that remains in transit to an unspoken new owner provided a much better edge than any 8k stone that I have, keener and much more comfortable. I was just being unreasonable expecting it to provide a magical cosmic experience vs. some of the other naturals that I have that are also very fine but with which I have a lot more experience.

It definitely improved the edge off of the two coticules that I have, and it improved the off-the-stone keenness vs. a vintage translucent arkansas that I have.

So I'm guessing that the problem in this instance is either the use of the escher, or possibly the razor. If lloyds was giving odds on this, that's what I'd take until the payoff was really big on the "it's the stone" side.

I have an Escher on the way......Watching this thread with great interest........Good advise here!
I wonder?????? 10 strokes on CroOX???????