Thread: Clan of the Dancing Twins

Got this Henckles Friodur a while back with an unusually marking. Also the show side tang markings are etched while the other side is stamped. On the show side tang the etching included DR Pat which I take to mean Deutsches Reich Patent and have seen it on one other Henckles Friodur. Obviously there must be more out there. Anyway, just thought it may be of interest to Henckles lovers.

Bob

Almost forgot to mention that as far as I can tell the DR Pat ceased to be used after 1945.

It makes me think it was from the turning point where Henckels went to with etching the logo, just before the logo change. Mid to late 60’s perhaps.

Very interesting example Bob.
Indeed the Deutsches Reich Patent was only used until 1945. Since Henckels developed the ice hardening, which they patented under the name Friodur in 1939, we coulkd believe that the razor should date somewhere between 1939 and 1945. Other sources say, that Henckels began 1943 with the production of Friodur razors. Anyhow it is hard to believe that they produced razors during time of WW2. Henckels themself stated in older sources that they began to produce razors under the name Friodur from 1951 on.
At this time the German Patent office was reopened under the name Deutsches Bundespatent (1949 with the abreviation DBP). Anyhow older patents still have been named Reichspatent for a certain time (simply because they have been registered during that time).
In my opinion your razor should be somewhere from the late 1950’s or early 1960‘s.
One question though: the file marks (jimps) on the lower part of the tang - are they black or clean silver ?

Originally Posted by hatzicho

One question though: the file marks (jimps) on the lower part of the tang - are they black or clean silver ?

Just looked and they appear to be black. I thought they might have been dirty but then thought possibly black carbon? I don't think that they are blued.

Bob

Going by logos alone I'd agree with Mr RezDog and say late 60s



Some nice history here
https://www1.zwilling.com/uk/en/page...-zwilling.html

Originally Posted by BobH

Just looked and they appear to be black. I thought they might have been dirty but then thought possibly black carbon? I don't think that they are blued.

Bob

Yeah that is black carbon. In the older times in Solingen these file marks on the lower part of the tang were integrated in the drop forge that produces the blanks. From the 1970's on the blanks were plain, the file marks were done by the grinders. That's why on older razors before approx. 1970 you see black jimps, on younger razors they appear silver-grinded.

Regards Peter

Originally Posted by hatzicho

Yeah that is black carbon. In the older times in Solingen these file marks on the lower part of the tang were integrated in the drop forge that produces the blanks. From the 1970's on the blanks were plain, the file marks were done by the grinders. That's why on older razors before approx. 1970 you see black jimps, on younger razors they appear silver-grinded.

Regards Peter

Thank you Peter

That last bit of info on the jimps and your previous info really confirms your estimate of late 50s to early 60s production. That is about as good as anyone can expect when trying to date a razor's production. Take care and stay healthy.

Rez and Marked also helped much

Bob

Originally Posted by hatzicho

Yeah that is black carbon. In the older times in Solingen these file marks on the lower part of the tang were integrated in the drop forge that produces the blanks. From the 1970's on the blanks were plain, the file marks were done by the grinders. That's why on older razors before approx. 1970 you see black jimps, on younger razors they appear silver-grinded.

Regards Peter

Thanks for that info. I learned long ago to let the black jimps be. If you try to polish, you will just mess them up.
Explains a lot!

A new one for the club,
I really dig these near wedges

Ops.... Missed this thread!

But Recently got one to add to this nice collection!

J.A.Henkels 401 Platinum (Carbon Steel) - 5/8" - FH