Thread: That 1700's Show

The Warranted is definitely early 1800s. The other it's hard to say for sure, but that style did bleed well into the 1800s so without a maker and dates of operation it's hard to pinpoint.

that looks like a cracking old blade I bet it coild tell some history, have you tried stropping it on chromium oxide it may just need some tlc?

Originally Posted by petecold

that looks like a cracking old blade I bet it coild tell some history, have you tried stropping it on chromium oxide it may just need some tlc?

I was going to try that first before trying to hone it.

Here are a couple I forgot I had until I looked inside an old strop box I have! The one in dark horn, Parkin Acier Fondu is shave ready. The one in ivory has Magnum Bonum on the spine but it is hard to make out on a camera.

Staniforth Parkin & Co. ... listed in the 1787 G&M same maker as my SHEMEL
makers marks .
SHEMEL
PARKIN
here it is linked to Zak's page
https://acierfondu.wordpress.com/man...p-carousel-164

Brittain Wilkinson & Brownell Sheffield (c1780-1840), Sheffield, trademark ‘France’ (Goins')

This one is maybe around 1780-1790's



http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...h-century.html



Unknown:

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

Here are a few.

Attachment 191939

Note the similar blade shape: dip in the spine at the toe, and a drop by the tang. These are early. Two yet to be identified, and on the bottom a William Warburton (with LISBON mark, later used by son Thomas).

Attachment 191940

Two French razors in tortoise.

Attachment 191941

Attachment 191942

Birks, Sheppard, Harwood & Co, and an unknown.

Attachment 191943

Another Birks.

Attachment 191944

In the last picture, second to the top there is a "SHEPPARD'S CAST STEEL" razor. I've got one exactly like this, I couldn't find any info about it, maybe can you tell me a little bit about it? Maybe even date it?

Thanks

Here is some pics of mine:


And with it's original scales (which I removed since they were in a very bad condition):

[QUOTE=engine46;1455452]

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

Thanks. I knew that, I just made a typo. It has been corrected. I meant scales.

I do not see how you can tell they are not horn from a photograph... crystal ball time?

Regards,
Neil

[QUOTE=Neil Miller;1496233]

Originally Posted by engine46

I do not see how you can tell they are not horn form a photograph... crystal ball time?

Regards,
Neil

I couldn't be for sure and certain but from the grain I see in the photo plus what looks like a bug bite I would guess it would be horn. Really don't know but I've had horn that looked the same.

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

The Warranted is definitely early 1800s. The other it's hard to say for sure, but that style did bleed well into the 1800s so without a maker and dates of operation it's hard to pinpoint.

You should be aware that 'Warranted' was used prior to Huntsman's (re)discovery of crucible steel in the early 1740s.

This use of 'warranted' without any other information probably means that that the maker gave his word that the product was good or offered a sort of guarantee. We find the use of 'warranted', 'warranted superior' and 'warranted extra fine' in use and meaning not very much really.

Once Huntsman had perfected his crucible steel process we find the use of 'warranted cast steel' on products, but not for some time, as Sheffield cutlers would not use the product as they were very set in their ways and because those that did try it considered it too hard. France was eager for it, so the majority of it went abroad, marked 'acier fondu' and proved so popular that it was imported back into the country in the form of edged goods, etc.

Why do I make this distinction? Simply because crucible steel and acier fondu are the same, and both of them are also called 'cast steel' as the molten steel is cast into bars. This revolutionised the state of steel making and most makers began to append 'warranted cast steel' to their range of goods. So the use of 'warranted' on its own pre-dates the use of 'warranted cast steel'. That allows for an earlier date, in spite of the shape of the tang, which we know is no fine tool but a rather clumsy one for dating razors.

Nothing is definite in this world, except death and taxes.

Regards,
Neil