Thread: That 1700's Show

Thoughts on this one?

Originally Posted by ItalianJoe

Thoughts on this one?

That's BEAUTIFUL 😀 does it look to have a regrind? If it does they did a great job! I'm not sure about it, 😕maybe 1780-1810, according to the tail of tails,and having no heal. The mark looks like a clover, is that correct?

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

That might not help (well and surely won't help for curlers, unless the master cutlers were also masters of lobbing stones around on the ice) - it's quite possible they were made somewhere else in England, or even outside of England. There were lots of other manufacturers at the time who might not be recorded in Sheffield. These razors mostly came from (correct me if I'm wrong) Sweden from recent auctions (and a lot of stubtails seem to come from there nowadays) so at some point they made their way there, or some may have been made there (Nils Grönstrand, for example).



As to the lack of tail, some makers didn't put on large tails, some English makers put on huge tails, sometimes razors have pivots broken off and redrilled to make no tails, it's very hard to say anything directly from just that. You have to see a reference to the mark somewhere documented to be sure. As to the pipe razor, there were numerous makers who used pipes as marks:

http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ml#post1020699

Just wanted to say, the stubtails out of Sweden are often originated from Sheffield, I have a couple of Smith's, Lin(d)ley's, Bengall's, Elliot's, Shepherd (crown WOLF), "GB", Norris,... from Sweden!

Nice reference to that tread, but those "pipe" - markings are not only from the 18th century I'm afraid, there are markings from the 19th, even from the 20th century...

Originally Posted by Fikira

Just wanted to say, the stubtails out of Sweden are often originated from Sheffield, I have a couple of Smith's, Lin(d)ley's, Bengall's, Elliot's, Shepherd (crown WOLF), "GB", Norris,... from Sweden!

Nice reference to that tread, but those "pipe" - markings are not only from the 18th century I'm afraid, there are markings from the 19th, even from the 20th century...

The point I was making was just that it's difficult to say without a lot of scrutiny because many makers used pipes during the 18th, incl. French, that was maybe not the best example thread to use. But I count 5 from the available pages of Sketchley's and the well-known 2 from G&M 1787 razor-maker listings. There are marks of non-razor listings which are important, as they may have not been making razors at the time the directory was assembled.

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

The point I was making was just that it's difficult to say without a lot of scrutiny because many makers used pipes during the 18th, incl. French, that was maybe not the best example thread to use. But I count 5 from the available pages of Sketchley's and the well-known 2 from G&M 1787 razor-maker listings. There are marks of non-razor listings which are important, as they may have not been making razors at the time the directory was assembled.

Indeed, absolutely right, good point! That was indeed a lesson to be learned, I tend too stick to much to the Sheffield's, which isn't always correct of course!
Yes, the Sketchley's include if I'm not mistakes the family Linley (3) and Birks, there are indeed more pipes in the rest of the directories as well :-)

Which makes it all so easy...

Originally Posted by Fikira

Indeed, absolutely right, good point! That was indeed a lesson to be learned, I tend too stick to much to the Sheffield's, which isn't always correct of course!
Yes, the Sketchley's include if I'm not mistakes the family Linley (3) and Birks, there are indeed more pipes in the rest of the directories as well :-)

Which makes it all so easy...

Now if someone only had an easily-accessed digital copy of the rest of Sketchleys...

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

Now if someone only had an easily-accessed digital copy of the rest of Sketchleys...

Yeah... I'm afraid I've signed a contract, not to share it on such manner, I could of course give the references,
I will do this in the course of the next few days :-)

Originally Posted by Hillbillystixnstraights

That's BEAUTIFUL [emoji3] does it look to have a regrind? If it does they did a great job! I'm not sure about it, [emoji53]maybe 1780-1810, according to the tail of tails,and having no heal. The mark looks like a clover, is that correct?

It's def been reground. I did the old burned needle trick and the scales are indeed horn. It's been cleaned up. My guess someone attempted to restore it some time ago. The jimps were added probably then. They just look too fresh to be original.

I'll have to test the steel to see if it was forged in later 18th century but so far it's passed all the preliminary tests.

Originally Posted by ItalianJoe

It's def been reground. I did the old burned needle trick and the scales are indeed horn. It's been cleaned up. My guess someone attempted to restore it some time ago. The jimps were added probably then. They just look too fresh to be original.

I'll have to test the steel to see if it was forged in later 18th century but so far it's passed all the preliminary tests.

😕How do you do that? Test the steel that is. As a welding instructor I'm only familiar with a couple of ways to do that (which are somewhat destructive) and would LOVE to be able to test mine without harming them.PLEASE share 😞

Originally Posted by Fikira

Yeah... I'm afraid I've signed a contract, not to share it on such manner, I could of course give the references,
I will do this in the course of the next few days :-)

One can ask a copy of Sheffield directories (payment needed for copies and postage) at:

* Sheffield Archives,
[email protected]
www.sheffield.gov.uk/archives

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/librari...rectories.html

Regards