Thread: Nazi blades

Originally Posted by Elrook

on the moral side of thing im of the view that if all such things were to be destroyed then there would be no reminders of the history ect

Yes if you took the view point that all Nazi related items be destroyed you would have to persuade the Polish government to destroy the Auschwitz concentration camp, the French Government to destroy the U-boat pens at Lorient Keroman Submarine Base and so on. What would be the point? You cannot deny or rewrite history, only learn from it if you can.

It is a personal choice for an individual as to whether or not they wish to own Nazi related items. There is no right or wrong decision only what is right for that individual.

Bob

Thanks to Neil and Bob for putting points in print I was too tired to do last night.

Merely owning or collecting this type of memorabilia as an extension of the study of the historical period doesn't make one a Nazi. Museums displaying such items for the legitimate purpose of education are probably not doing so out of a respect or admiration of the intrinsic values and belief systems symbolized by these items. Glorifying, honoring, and venerating these things doesn't make one a Nazi either necessarily, but it does make you a tiny minded sociopathic idiot with no moral compass. Doing the same with the ideas and beliefs they represent, most assuredly does. Being drafted into your nations army and forced to fight not for her, but for the twisted beliefs of its operators doesn't make you a Nazi. How you conducted yourself while wearing the uniform does. Claus Von Stauffenberg was wearing it when true Nazis stood him up in the Bendlerblock and shot him dead.

What makes something "Nazi" and as such, evil? If you have to think about it next time you're tempted to joke about "how many Jews can you fit in a Volkswagen" or judge someone based on their appearance or religious beliefs, the answer may lay closer to home than you think.

And Neil, even when treading this delicate minefield of a topic, you do so with humor, grace, high intellect and inspirational discussion. By this I mean you careen through recklessly triggering explosions seemingly indifferent to loss of limb. I always love your insights. Even if you are at times a bit cantankerous with me

Whether of not the razors are indeed from the Third Reich history must be preserved for if history is erased then future generations can't learn from the past. There are still today those who try to say that the Holocaust never happened (Mel Gibson's Father for one) the Jews, Gypsys, mental patients and others just merely 'moved away'. Fortunately the Foundation of the Shoah was founded to record testimony from those that survived.

A man I knew well who had been part of the forces that liberated one of the NAZI death camps found two items that while gruesome he wanted to keep them to show folks back here what had been done so that they could visually see and not just hear stories, but they were confiscated by his superiors. He never knew what happened to them. They were two lampshades made from the tanned tattooed skin of human beings.

He used to say that he didn't know what was burned every once in awhile here in our little valley but it smelled like that death camp did.

I have no reason to doubt his story as he was a simple farmer, an honest man and definitely not a braggart or one who liked to draw attention to himself. I miss him as he was a good man and a very decent human being.

Now to the Shoah/look to the right and click on the Visual History Archive:

USC Shoah Foundation

Many years ago my then wife along with the pastor (with written parental permission) took our daughter and other teen age members of our church youth group to see the movie 'The Passion of the Christ' my daughter arrived home all teary saying "How could they do that to a man"? I have Net Flix so I rented Schindler's List to show her what was done to over 6 million people. I didn't think that she would ever stop crying. I hope it made a permanent impression on her.

Here's another link of interest:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/spielbergs-shoah-foundation-turns-20/

I hope the last link will work as it doesn't seem to come up in the Preview like the first one does.If by chance it doesn't I hope that by coping and pasting to your browser will make it come up.

I'm sorry if I got off topic but I needed to write this.

I would take them, and use them. It is a piece of history. They are neither demonic or evil. It is an inanimate object, no more 'evil' than a hammer or gun. It is simply a tool. The person using it makes it good or evil. It is a piece of history and remembering that era is important.

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

Nazi items are heavily counterfeited. I would be wary of anything that is not easily traceable and that would be relatively easy to imprint / stencil / etch / whatever some kind of insignia onto.

+1.

In the pocket knife world, there is a lot of knockoff material floating around. If it can't be traced back, I'd be wary of it.

While I would feel slightly nauseous when touching/ seeing it, I can understand it having a lot of historical value. Not necessarily to a neo-nazi, but to a historian or collector. When I hold my oldest razors, I feel in awe of all the things that the razor must've seen, and all the faces it's shaved, and I would imagine that feeling of awe would be emphasised if that razor has particular historical significance. Definitely not a part you would want to be associated with, but awe nonetheless.

Most razors with Nazi symbols are fake.
I'm sure, most of you were in army. Did you draw/write political symbols on the personal hygiene things? It's not a weapon like saber.
I was in Soviet army, in Israeli army, but I always wrote only my surname on such items.
From old thread:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...tml#post412004

Originally Posted by entropy1049

And Neil, even when treading this delicate minefield of a topic, you do so with humor, grace, high intellect and inspirational discussion. By this I mean you careen through recklessly triggering explosions seemingly indifferent to loss of limb. I always love your insights. Even if you are at times a bit cantankerous with me

I should never have tried on that cantankerous head, Mike, but curiosity got the better of me...can't get the damned thing off now...

I expect you already guessed that one of my favourite films is Mel Brooks's "The Producers" so cheerfully upbeat and totally tasteless you gotta love it - the 1968 version with Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder, anyway.

I would treat you to a chorus of 'Springtime for Germany' but I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea!

Cantankerously (who - me?)
Neil

What an interesting thread and so full of opinions, as it should by the way. In saying that, I hope that people here don't confuse the Nazi symbol, the swastika with it's evil short history, with the spiritual swastika symbols used in Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism which has been used for thousands of years.

Lots of information here: Reclaim The Swastika : The symbol for spiritual victory