Thread: Nazi blades

Originally Posted by mglindo

I hope that people here don't confuse the Nazi symbol, the swastika with it's evil short history, with the spiritual swastika symbols used in Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism... [/url]

I consider the possibility that a reader will make a false connection between the swastikas shown on pictures in the opening post of this thread and Far Eastern spiritual traditions extremely remote.

Originally Posted by mglindo

What an interesting thread and so full of opinions, as it should by the way. In saying that, I hope that people here don't confuse the Nazi symbol, the swastika with it's evil short history, with the spiritual swastika symbols used in Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism which has been used for thousands of years.

Lots of information here: Reclaim The Swastika : The symbol for spiritual victory

The Swastika was a good luck symbol from what I understand (associated with Native Americans also), so not an original Nazi symbol, they just used it. Sort of like the Rebel flag, pretty sure it originally didn't represent racism, but is viewed that way by some.

Originally Posted by beluga

I consider the possibility that a reader will make a false connection between the swastikas shown on pictures in the opening post of this thread and Far Eastern spiritual traditions extremely remote.

One can only hope. Some may not use due deligence and can therefore come to wrong conclusions. The Nazi Swastika and the religious Swastika are very close and are often wrongly mistaken. Not remote at all I believe.

Originally Posted by mglindo

One can only hope. Some may not use due deligence and can therefore come to wrong conclusions. The Nazi Swastika and the religious Swastika are very close and are often wrongly mistaken. Not remote at all I believe.

Be that as it may; IMO it would be inappropriate to dilute a discussion that essentially dealt with the question "Are items that carry symbols representing a despicable movement collectible?" with a discussion whether some people are confused about the various forms of (Nazi and non-Nazi) swastikas that exists. This has nothing to do with the question of the OP.

This may be a worthwhile debate in it's own right, but should not be used to direct this particular thread in a different direction.

both my grandfathers fought for the U.S. in WW2 and both of them had at one time things they had took from nazi soldiers , my ex wifes grandparents are polish and still had there patches from the death camp they were in !! people collect things for different reasons , WW2 as well as the civil war , have always fascinated me and at one point i had many items from both sides including original death head and ss bolt patches ,hitler youth knifes , propaganda posters , and helmets from both sides ... alot of times these items are collected for the taboo side of it , me it was the historical value of having something from a time of chaos and i would have no problem having a "original" collection of nazi razors to shave with as well as to collect ..its one of those things where to each is there own i guess !!

and to add what Jimmy said about the Volkswagen , Henry Ford was a documented member of the American Nazi Party ( per there records) and was rumored to be so anti_Jewish that he donated thousands along with the GM corporation to the Nazi's in the late 1930"s to the point where Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, lawsuits have even been followed because documents show ford and gm refused U.S. contracts for military vehicles because they were producing for the German army in preparation for invasions of Poland ... at those times a lot of key figures had there hands in the nazi party or there faces under the white hoods of the kkk.... im sure there are people who will only drive a ford because of this while others because they like the car but my .2 cent is like in other post an items meaning is what the beholder makes of it ..

Originally Posted by beluga

Be that as it may; IMO it would be inappropriate to dilute a discussion that essentially dealt with the question "Are items that carry symbols representing a despicable movement collectible?" with a discussion whether some people are confused about the various forms of (Nazi and non-Nazi) swastikas that exists. This has nothing to do with the question of the OP.

This may be a worthwhile debate in it's own right, but should not be used to direct this particular thread in a different direction.

That just proves my point that erroneous conclusions often occur! My intent was not to "hijack" this thread! If it was construed to be that, my apologies. It was merely to inform. Nothing more, nothing less!

I do not consider that anyone who has seen the pics posted in this thread is labouring under the wrong impression. The swastikas shown are depicted:

With the Imperial German Eagle, a nazi emlem,
on the side of a WW2 german helmet, a nazi emblem,
with the SS insignia, a nazi emblem,
with a WW2 iron cross, a nazi emblem, and
with the eagle again, a nazi emblem.

The only ones to be excused are those reading this forum in braille or listening to it on radio, scenarios as unlikely as an adult confusing the evil intent of the nazi reworking of the swastika with the former innocent good luck charm.

Regards,
Neil

Ownership of these items is a personal choice.

As far as owning a tv or car made in Germany or Japan. 70 years changes the past to the present. If this is applied to past enemies of the US, you would have to consider that we battled the British on our own soil twice. So much for a Sheffield razor.

IMO, a death camp is a much more of a piece of history showing the atrocities of the past than a set of razors.

Ownership of Nazi items (razors, Youth knife or a SS uniform) is not preserving history. Look at all the swastika tattoos some people have, I do not think they were trying to preserve history as much as showing hatred towards people.

To understand the past, a museum or standing in a death camp will give you feeling of how evil this period of time was.

Museum Information — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Just my opinion.

I would be willing to bet if you showed a picture of a Nazi Swastika to 20 people and then showed them the normal kind 18 of the 20 would not notice the difference and probably similar have never heard of a non Nazi Swastika.

Much of this has to do with intent. Why would someone collect Nazi paraphernalia? Is it because it's a purely historical thing to them and a future investment and nothing more or do they have some emotional attachment to what it represents and agree with Nazi politics and philosophy?

I bet that if you pulled 30 random kids from their high school classroom, ,, no more than 5 would even know what the Swastika emblem was,,, & ,,,, I bet no more than 8 could tell you what a Nazi was,,, that's the real problem today.