Thread: Question about SRD razors

Originally Posted by Badgister

I do occasionally take a peak on the european forums, mostly the French ones, and I am of the impression that naturals and pastes still dominate there.

The "just about every razor forum" part made me chuckle. It's wrong for the French forums as well as the German, Spanish and Russian ones. Probably for the rest of the European forums, too. So, well...

Originally Posted by RobinK

The "just about every razor forum" part made me chuckle. It's wrong for the French forums as well as the German, Spanish and Russian ones. Probably for the rest of the European forums, too. So, well...

Whelp....two people said it so you win. I would like to sincerely congratulate you on your victory. I will take that and go shave with my Revisor, which is now poorly honed by me on my inferior synthetic stone progression because it came to me SO sharp it occurred to me I should dull it down on my horrid 12k synth. lol.

It's interesting to me you take these definitive stances.....it would be like me, an avid VW/Audi fan and owner, claiming that EVERY single car they produce is without issue...while completely discounting the problems they have been known for years for having, like ignition coils or window regulators....or recently Diesel software...and trying to discredit people for disagreeing with me. It certainly doesn't change my passion for the product, by the way...even if I have to admit the company has made a few missteps along the way. Part of the human condition, oddly enough, is inherent imperfection.

You can't just accept that someone has had a different experience than you....or more than one person for that matter. What difference does it make? Is your ego SO fragile that you can't accept other people's opinions? Are you just that dense? Obtuse? I have another word, but I'll save it for another battle, another day.

As was previously stated, a new shaver will likely ruin the edge due to improper stropping etc. I know I did. get some stones and learn to hone. You will be needing it until you get farther along. It is a very long learning curve nut also one hell of a good ride

Ain't hone wars lovely? Use whatever you like to get the edge you want. It really doesn't matter. Preferences differ and neither synthetics or naturals are the universal "besten fur alles" .

Bob

I don't always agree with Robin; but I genuinely respect his right to his opinion, if not his actual opinion. If I were to choose to debate him, I would expect to lose; but even then I would not stoop to insulting him.

Guys, please let's be gentlemen. How important is it ? Let's not get into a 'he who has the last post wins' débâcle. Agree to disagree if there is no consensus between you. Threads get closed when two or more members begin personal insults.

Gentlemen,

I was just about ready to remind everyone that this is the place for gentlemen and individual opinions should be respected. Jimmy beat me to it. Thanks, Jimmy.

Arguments destroy conversations, gentlemen. So do condescension and accusation. Whether you agree or not with someone, let him finish and then present your thoughts — and then move on. Let's not send this topic over the edge. No, sir, you don't want to have Jimmy go on the warpath.

Now pardon me while I get back to cooking my chili.

Originally Posted by RobinK

In the US [...] Most people here don't love edges off high grit synthetics.

Originally Posted by Denvernoob

Most people don't like edges off of high-grit synths?

The core of the confusion (leading to disagreement) is that Robin's 'here' refers to "(generally speaking) Europe", not 'here on SRP'. I think everyone is aware of how popular synthetics are on SRP. But outside of SRP, as in: on the European forums, they are not. Last time I checked, natural hones and indeed pastes (this seems to mainly be a French thing) are more popular than synthetics here. In Europe.

Robin is very opinionated, but at no point in this thread did he actually assert to natural hones being superior to synthetic hones. He merely added perspective by stating that in Europe (generally speaking) they are preferred over synthetic hones. Which is more fact than opinion.

This seems to be a cultural thing, as there is a long (long) history of using (local) natural hones (Thüringer hones, other slate hones, coticules, Charnley forests, Cretan hones...the list goes on and on), much more so than in the US (even though there are of course Washita hones and Arkansas hones).

Originally Posted by Denvernoob

I am pretty sure, myself excluded for the sake of your arguments, that there is a pretty good reason the Naniwa 12k is perhaps the single most recommended high-grit synthetic for touch-ups and edge refinement across just about every razor forum....not that there are dozens of videos with very well regarded honers the world over featuring it...but what do they know.

The Naniwa 12000 is often recommended on SRP because a lot of people find it easy to work with; it is advised as a sure choice. Plain and simple. Not because it is necessarily superior to most all other hones in the shaving edge it produces. Personally, I do not find an edge off a Naniwa 12000 very comfortable when compared to an edge honed on, say, a coticule or Thüringer hone and I do not consider it to be a bargain by any means. I would even argue that most coticules are easier in use and equally predictable in the edge they produce (at least) when purely used for upkeep (i.e. water only). But my individual preference and opinion is neither here nor there; it is not relevant to the discussion. The point of the discussion was popularity at large. Again, outside of SRP, the high synthetic grit hone following is much, much smaller; at least when going by the European forums.

Note that "popular" does not necessarily equate to "superior". A lot of people can be wrong as well.

Also note that a lot of users are (believe it or not) not very active or vocal on fora.

Originally Posted by Obie

Gentlemen,

Arguments destroy conversations, gentlemen.

Dear Obie, I would like to rephrase that, If you will allow me:

"Fights destroy good arguments."

Originally Posted by Thisisclog

Count me as one of those that prefers edges from naturals over synthetics. While sharp, they are more harsh than a natural stone.

A harsh edge is not a finished edge. Some steels "may" finish better on naturals some are their equal on a 20k Suehiro. Without factoring skill, it's only half about the stones.

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