Thread: Could anyone please help with dating this Filarmonica?

I've sold and owned many Filarmonica 14s and the one you are showing is definitely a second generation model the first generation models I believe were made in Germany and that's why they didn't stamp the country of origin, secondly if you held them both in your hands and looked at the first and second generation models you would see that there's a noticable differance in quality from the scales to the blade etching and tang stamps, also the scales and Lyra are completely different on first generation models the scales are made from high quality materials and not that awful cheap nasty plastic as you find on second generation razors, here's my last first generation 14 came with the guarantee and all the paper work something I've not seen before, plus here's another first generation I sold a while back a 14 Especial both these razors are pre 1950s.

PS forgot to add the inlay Lyra on the first generation models are also made of metal I believe it's nickel silver.

Originally Posted by celticcrusader

I've sold and owned many Filarmonica 14s ...

May I request a clinical shot of that gorgeous DT14.. I've found a couple of examples of the
JMP etch and tang stamp, but none so pristine. Here's a couple of examples to show what I am
looking for.

So my DT12 could be a 1st generation but if not, definitely be a second generation.

First generation Tony.

Thanks so much to all (to @celticcrusader, @Panama60 especially ) for such a gorgeous info&investigation)

@celticcrusader - Thank you, for those pics and for the pics of the original papers (also going in the data base).

@andreydat - So far in my hunt, your tang stamp is the only one I've seen yet to include the vertical "Espana".
With "Jose Monserrat Pou" in italics, along with his passing in 1971, I'm thinking this tang stamp is just before the
exclusion of the name in the info. I'm only guessing at this time.

P.S.
I'm not done yet, but I need to take a break and get to some other things.

Originally Posted by Panama60

@celticcrusader - Thank you, for those pics and for the pics of the original papers (also going in the data base).

@andreydat - So far in my hunt, your tang stamp is the only one I've seen yet to include the vertical "Espana".
With "Jose Monserrat Pou" in italics, along with his passing in 1971, I'm thinking this tang stamp is just before the
exclusion of the name in the info. I'm only guessing at this time.

P.S.
I'm not done yet, but I need to take a break and get to some other things.

I'm interested in your findings please keep me updated.

Regards
Jamie.

Originally Posted by Thug

So my DT12 could be a 1st generation but if not, definitely be a second generation.

The tang stamp showing JMP curved like that and missing the lyre would be 1stGen according
to that singular post. I'm guessing your DT has the lyre in the etch instead of the JMP still
making it pre-1967.

Take a look at these 3 examples. I classify them as A, B and C (A being on top). We know that
A is 1st because of the JMP etch (thank you, Jamie) and C (which is mine) came later. Look
how easily B (similar to Tony's) falls between them. The JMP (in the etch) becomes a lyre with
a treble clef, then becomes a lyre without the treble clef (like andreydat's) and after that just the
words (no box or flourish). And notice the tang stamps, the curved name that then goes flat and
dropped to the bottom of the stamp.

Scales will also be included in this classification system. Yesterday, I found a post asking about
their DT and yes, it was a blade with the JMP etch, BUT...the scales were the "(V)Lyre-filarmonica"
style. Somebody did a nice job at rescaling, but missed the period of the scales. It should have
had blank scales like celticcrusader has shown us.

I strongly feel a need for a comprehensive classification system so people can know what they
have. Wouldn't it be nice to say "I have the FCDT14 (F=filarmonica, C=3rd in evolution)" and be
sure of it or to say "yes, Tony, you have a FBDT12".

Here's a slightly clearer image of the etch, which as you can see hasn't been well looked after.



As per your classification Panama, as you say, mine would be a FBDT12 but a post 50 but pre-67 model.

Mine also does have "Made in Spain" stamped on the back of the tang.