Thread: ID: Six-Point Star Symbol

Originally Posted by Basher052

Speaking as a freemason, the star has nothing to do with the Masonic lodge. The Eastern Star, sure, but not Masonry.

Nice razor none the less.

That's interesting. I found a bazillion sources all over the internet with photos that show the six-point star as a masonic symbol, often with the letter G inside.

Here is one from the SRP forum.

I am so confused now...

Me


PS: I marked the razor temporarily unavailable until this mystery of the six-point star is solved.

The mark could be simply meaning 1st class = premiere classe = 1ere CL

Concerning the star, it could be that this razor had been made/sold during WW2 and the star was due to the French martial law from october 1940, which stipulated that every jewish had to have the inscription "jewish" in their I.D. card and all the jewish companies had the obligation to indicate visibly the inscription " jewish company/business"

Hope this help.

Nevertheless, a beautiful razor! All I know about this company is that it could have been made by GUSTAVE Rameau, no date sorry...

Originally Posted by Karakoup1

The mark could be simply meaning 1st class = premiere classe = 1ere CL

Concerning the star, it could be that this razor had been made/sold during WW2 and the star was due to the French martial law from october 1940, which stipulated that every jewish had to have the inscription "jewish" in their I.D. card and all the jewish companies had the obligation to indicate visibly the inscription " jewish company/business"

The Gelle Freres company was around until 1942, so it's possible. However, the the symbol doesn't look like a CL, or even a worn away CL, to me.

Plus, the black horn scales make me think it was more likely pre-1870.

Also in my first deciphering attempts, I compared the C symbol to the letters in the Hebrew alphabet and I found nothing.

Still...this could be a kosher barbershop razor. Who knows? Whatever it is, it was sold at the Gelle Freres shop. Or produced thru them at a special commission.

(I love mysteries. I hate mysteries I can't solve.)

Me

Originally Posted by The Blacksmith

True... but the "Star of David" or the six pointed star has nothing to do with either. The Order of the Eastern Star" has as its symbol the 5 pointed star.

This is the basic reason that I made the encouragement regarding not putting emphases that this razor had Masonic emblems...

And again, cool razor... back to BST

Originally Posted by CJBianco

That's interesting. I found a bazillion sources all over the internet with photos that show the six-point star as a masonic symbol, often with the letter G inside.

Here is one from the SRP forum.

I am so confused now...

Me


PS: I marked the razor temporarily unavailable until this mystery of the six-point star is solved.

I can't say that I've ever seen the "sixer" other than as a Hebrew symbol but, no "G" showing

Originally Posted by CJBianco

The Gelle Freres company was around until 1942, so it's possible. However, the the symbol doesn't look like a CL, or even a worn away CL, to me.

Plus, the black horn scales make me think it was more likely pre-1870.

Also in my first deciphering attempts, I compared the C symbol to the letters in the Hebrew alphabet and I found nothing.

Still...this could be a kosher barbershop razor. Who knows? Whatever it is, it was sold at the Gelle Freres shop. Or produced thru them at a special commission.

(I love mysteries. I hate mysteries I can't solve.)

Me

The "Gellé Frères" in Paris was a barbers' supplies shop... They didn't produce themselves razors but most likely were branding razors with their name.

Moreover, that's why I wrote that it could have been made/sold around 1940...

Originally Posted by Karakoup1

The "Gellé Frères" in Paris was a barbers' supplies shop... They didn't produce themselves razors but most likely were branding razors with their name.

Moreover, that's why I wrote that it could have been made/sold around 1940...

Oh, yes. I agree. The razor was made by Rameau a Sens for the Gelle Freres company.

Me

Sorry.... For some reason, the post appeared twice....

Originally Posted by Karakoup1

The "Gellé Frères" in Paris was a barbers' supplies shop... They didn't produce themselves razors but most likely were branding razors with their name.

Moreover, that's why I wrote that it could have been made/sold around 1940...

I am wondering...where di you find the information stating it was a barber's supply shop?

The information I find says Gele Freres was a perfume company. In fact, many websites share the same information including awards won for the following perfumes:

Gelle Freres of Paris France, established in 1826 by the brothers Augustin & Jean-Baptiste Gelle after purchase of formulas and shop which previously belonged to Fargeon Jeune, descendant of perfumer to Louis XV. Augustin's father in law, Emile Lecaron succeeded him. The company became a major exporter and produced luxurious presentations. They were awarded many prizes and the gold medal in 1925. :

• 1889 Le Mikado
• 1890 Memphis
• c1900 Solange
• c1900 Savon Paradisia (soap)
• 1908 Seduction
• 1910 Noblesse Oblige
• 1910 Quelques Success
• 1911 Pour Etre Aimee
• 1912 Nacreor
• 1913 Regina
• 1923 Caprice de Fleurs
• 1925 Mon Caprice
• 1925 Nythis
• 1927 Etoile Noire
• 1930 Narta

I'm guessing they were primarily a perfume company that specialized in a few other specialty grooming items.

Me

First...could a moderator move this to a different subforum while I try to figure this out? And maybe change the thread title to something like: Mysterious Star Symbol? =)

I was looking closely at the symbol, and I noticed two things:

1. The C figure in the center of the star might have a little squiggle on the bottom. I can't say for sure. I need a second opinion. The squiggle is the accent mark called [the] la cédille. I'll attach a photo example.

2. The "masonic" six-point stars always show the lines inside to illustrate it is made of two distinct triangles. This star does not show those lines. Therefore, I no longer believe it is the masonic symbol.

I now believe it is more likely eitherthe Hebrew symbol for the Star of David or it is simply a cool pattern that someone chose for some kind of logo. (I still have no idea what the logo means.)

(Argh! This is giving me a mindache!)

Any more theories???

Me

FWIW - It looks Hebrew to me. Just an opinion. Nazi Germany (Hitler) brought about the Star of David as THE symbol for Judaism. The Menorah is the only true symbol. When Israel adopted it for their flag, that kind of sealed the deal with people that it was a Jewish symbol. The Star of David dates back to Egyptian times and has been used in Kaballah, Islam, Christianity, by the Occult, the Freemasons, and everywhere in between.

Why is it temporarily unavailable? I think it's beautiful. Find someone who speaks Hebrew and rule that one our first... just a humble opinion.