Thread: HART Razor

Originally Posted by Tim Zowada

After watching the forums for the last several weeks, I figured it's time to chime in. A lot has been said about the Hart Steel razor. Some of what has been posted is correct. Some of it is incorrect. It is my hope that this post will clarify what is going on at Hart Steel

I wish Hart the best of luck, and hope they resolve their issues promptly. This razor shows a lot of promise and needs only a little more development to be a worthy competitor to the more established brands.

I have moved Tim Zowada's post to the Vendor's Corner and started a fresh thread for it titled "Hart Steel Razors".

?didnt think Tim was tring to sell anything

just let everyone know that the hart makers and QC were watching and the future of things
it kind of killed this thread of free flowing feedback that even i was learning from

Originally Posted by Bill S

I have moved Tim Zowada's post to the Vendor's Corner and started a fresh thread for it titled "Hart Steel Razors".

I'm not following what you say... are you saying that now that its out in the open that he's watching people are less inclined to speak?

I dunno. I've been looking around B&B trying to become more active there, and I also stopped over at theshaveden and I think people there have a similar feeling that the price should be cut/options should be increased.

jsut found it odd that his post was moved to the venders corner when he was not selling anything
jsut giving an out line on what is being done and some future maybes

There is no problem with replying to Tim's post in the vendor's corner if you want to get the thread going from there AFAIK .....

As far as cutting the price, I don't think that the razor is overpriced considering the level of hands on craftsmanship being done by an individual artisan on what is essentially a limited edition semi custom razor. Just IMHO.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

There is no problem with replying to Tim's post in the vendor's corner if you want to get the thread going from there AFAIK .....

As far as cutting the price, I don't think that the razor is overpriced considering the level of hands on craftsmanship being done by an individual artisan on what is essentially a limited edition semi custom razor. Just IMHO.

It also think that it is NOT overpriced. Just read what all goes into it in Tim's post in the vendor's corner. The most important thing he said in there was IF you had a problem with a razor then call Classic or Heart. They are building a company, I do not believe that want any bad experiences with their patrons. I am in business as well as many others. I want my customers happy and will make them happy when possible. Anyone that has a problem razor I am sure they will fix the problem.

For the record as soon as I get the money their razor will be one of my next razor purchases.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

There is no problem with replying to Tim's post in the vendor's corner if you want to get the thread going from there AFAIK .....

As far as cutting the price, I don't think that the razor is overpriced considering the level of hands on craftsmanship being done by an individual artisan on what is essentially a limited edition semi custom razor. Just IMHO.

I respectfully disagree. Effort doesn't necessarily warrant value. The market will determine if the product has enough features and function to warrant the price that they are asking, but that will have virtually nothing to do with how much hands on work goes into it. Gentleman like Mr. Livi, Mr. Zowada, Mr. Williams, and others don't fetch the amount of money that they do because their work is so labor intensive. They get that money because their products are among the best on the market. If I were to start crafting totally hand-made razors, I can assure you that they wouldn't fetch $100 because they wouldn't be anywhere near the level as these guys.

Besides that, these aren't limited edition semi-customs. These are plain-jane production razors on which we have been offered precisely ZERO options. That's the antithesis of custom, not semi-custom. If they were offering a semi-custom razor at that price, it would be a tremendous value, IMO. Unfortunately, they are not.

I wish them all the luck in the world, but my discretionary income is too difficult to come by to spend on a plain, no frills razor that doesn't represent premium value.

Just my $.02, don't string me up

Originally Posted by L R Harner

jsut found it odd that his post was moved to the venders corner when he was not selling anything
jsut giving an out line on what is being done and some future maybes

Tim's post wasn't deleted, parked or otherwise hidden. I actually found it interesting and informative and I hope you will contribute to the new thread if you want to.

The thing is, since Tim is discussing details about a new razor company (that he is involved with) the post is commercial in nature. So, in my opinion, it belongs in the Vendor area even though the post isn't offering anything for sale directly.

ok thats fine i jsuit thought that the venders corner was for sales stuff

i got to talk to time jsut about all weekend at ashoken

just seemed that with the post moved it kind of slowed up the poast here

so far as hart razors i would love to try one at soem point (might try and talk some oone into a razor swap )

i plan on sending tim a razor in 52100 so he can play with different hones and help me get max edge on my steel and heat treat combo and save me a few bucks on what stones work best