Thanks for your replies , i do have 2 gold dollars and a titan.
I have removed the stabilizer on all 3 and they shave ok
I hone them myself up to 8k and chromium oxide then bare leather.
I am saving money to buy a bismark but for the moment i have to stick to what i have.
Do those 2-3 degrees make a big difference?
Do you think the improvement is worth the work requiered? I think not?
Maybe getting a naniwa 12k would be a better choice.
Again thank you all.